Did some supernatural being came from some other place and physically write the bible all in one sitting?

No, I don’t think it did. In fact, I have reason to believe that a bunch of old men who never even met Jesus decided to write about him and all these other tales told by a person from another person from another person.

“Virgin” was mistranslated from “young woman”– Mary wasn’t a virgin, by the way, some fool bollocks-ed up the Hebrew from Aramaic translation of “Young Woman” (or “woman of marrying age”) to the Greek word for virgin AND EVERYTHING SPIRALED OUT OF CONTROL FROM THERE. [http://www.2think.org/hii/virgin.shtml]

This being taken into account, and the fact of how blatantly flawed eye-witness testimony is [http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Accuracy-of-Eye-Witness-Testimony-and-Its-Flaws&id=328261], I CANNOT accept anything in the bible as true or even sound advice at some times.

Ultimately, God’s love does not come from some book written in the Bronze Age, especially when one is relying on the fallibility of mankind; or even more so when the people who wrote had an agenda. I don’t know where “god’s love” comes from and since I’m an Atheist for the time being I don’t believe I’ll ever know of this seemingly fictitious feeling some people speak of.

And not unlike what others have been saying about how people in power will use whatever means to keep it– I have to say: Whether religious or not, those few greedy, power-hungry, and warmongering sons-a-******* will always, ALWAYS, find a way to assert their power.

It is religion’s unfortunate place to be the pretext of these maniacs’ plans. I don’t think anyone can say for certain that if religion weren’t around this crazy stuff would not have happened. In fact, I have reason to believe that humans will almost always find different means to tear each other apart for some reason or another.

Just as the minister below me has said, it IS men that are doing these things. Just as I believe that it is MEN that are capable of so many better things. We evolved these wonderful brains and morals for the purpose of survival, and for good Darwinian reasons: we are still a species today. Granted, it’s only been 200,000 years since Homo Sapiens came onto the scene (a mere HALF amount of time of our “cousins” the Neanderthals) [http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/beta/evolution/becoming-human-part-1.html].

But nonetheless, man is certainly fallible, and therefore I don’t think that believing in “God’s Love” according to the tainting telephone game that is our terrible tendency in life to perpetuate is something that one should be living their life by. Or something to even consider.

Excuse me, who made those plans? Just tell me their origin. If you’ve done a little bit of computing, you’d begin to appreciate the kind of programming that went into CREATING the genetic code. Science has only just scratched the surface.

I know a little maths as well, an I’m awed by the physical laws we have around, by their conformity to laid down rules.

Now hear me, It’s a simple issue. Atheism is a religion, as much as mine. It requires you to believe that there is no God, mine requires you to. Atheism is based on one premise, that all the wonder we see around, all the beauty, is as a result of an ACCIDENT. The source of which I dare you to TELL and PROVE.

You have ignored enough proof of God’s existence already. I doubt you will change your mind if you saw the parting of the sea. Because that’s a little miracle compared to what you see everyday.

Time will not permit me to launch into the intricate designs woven into your body, nor of the delicate forces that sustain your life.

My final word to you, Crax:
If you have a child, or a young one that you love, do me this favour:
Every morning call them to yourself, look them in the eye, and tell them the “TRUTH”. That they are nothing but ACCIDENTS, originated from some primodal soup or whatever which couldn’t take the heat on Earth some millions of years ago. Let them know that they originated from monkeys and gorillas. And while you’re at it, keep reminding yourself of it each day, for the rest of your life.

Been nice talking to you buddy. I still insist you are too intelligent to have been an Accident, and always will see you as another example of the handiworks of THE ULTIMATE BEING, GOD.

To begin, you honestly believe that the so-called creator of human intelligence wanted you to take things on faith? That is the most retarded thing I have ever heard. Secondly, where is this proof that of the biblical events that YOU flout? You say that you won’t show it because of your “faith”. How about this: Humor me. Show me this proof you speak of. I’m sorry that my mind works in a way that requires me to think about and see proof of your God before I throw my life away to some nonexistent prick in the sky.

Continuing on your “they always evolved in pairs”, did you even READ my last post or take basic Biology? Let me explain for the dim-witted. GENES ARE THE INSTRUCTION PLANS FOR OUR BODIES AND THE CHARACTERISTICS THAT YOU SEE ON THEM. IF AN ANIMAL IS BORN WITH SOME MUTATION OR TRAIT THAT GIVES IT AN EDGE OVER THE OTHER ANIMALS, THEN NOT ONLY DOES IT HAVE TO SURVIVE LONG ENOUGH TO REPRODUCE, BUT IT ALSO HAS TO HAVE THAT TRAIT BE DOMINANT. THAT WAY, IT CAN REPRODUCE WITH IT’S OWN SPECIES, AND THAT TRAIT IS PASSED ON TO IT’S CHILDREN, WHO CAN DO THE SAME. DO YOU RECALL WHAT I SAID ABOUT YOUR MISGUIDED CONCEPTIONS OF A HALF-HUMAN, HALF-APE? AND HOW IT’S NOT LIKE A ******* CENTAUR? Now, that I put that explanation in a way simple enough for YOU to read, on to your next problem.

We HAVE proof. We have intermediary animals. Ever heard of birds perhaps? Or the Homo genus? Go on Wiki-*******-pedia right now and search Homo. When you get back, you may know that we even have intermediary animals for OUR OWN species. They’re called fossils.

Now show your proof, and none of that “faith” bullshit either. The DEFINITION of faith is believing without proof.

Lastly, our scientists usually don’t believe in god because they are, unlike you, intelligent. In fact, in I.Q. tests and on a TV show, Atheists have time and time again been shown to have higher I.Q.s than believers. Would you like to know why? It’s because spirituality has been CONCLUSIVELY connected to brain-damage. “Oh,” you say, “But not ALL believers could have had brain damage, could they Crax?” “Well you’re right about that” I answer. That’s because the majority of Christians, Jews, and whatever other religion were raised to believe it from birth, just like Santa Claus, though he was ALSO revealed to be a fraud, wasn’t he?

Sincerely, Crax.

Well, I am not obliged to produce evidence, cos I lay claim to faith. (Doesn’t mean I can’t, though). Now, you lay claim to Science, and flout the need for PROOF. Evolution is as much a belief as my belief in God. Why? Cos you have no proof of it, only assumptions. I repeat, only assumptions. Where are the intermediate animals? And I guess the animals somehow always evolved in pairs, so they could reproduce, right? How intelligent of them. Yeah, so you cover all this with the “Millions of years ago” phrase, and you think it’s so, so logical?

If you demand proof of my faith, which lays no emphasis on proof, then you ought to be ready to show me some SERIOUS PROOF for your belief or non – belief, claiming science as its basis.

You also said :
“Until then, here’s some reasons why I’ll trust a scientist, over a weirdo in a dress, or any ancient book, any day”

Do you mind doing a background check on some of the revered scientists and their belief in God/ the bible? …

http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/1xFg9w/www.youtube.com/watch%253Fv%253DbGoYbjzy8-s

Also, by your beliefs, it would’ve been fate for me to find this video, and God would’ve put it in my path, so I could encounter it, and use it as a way to mock you?

Anyway, time for some cold hard facts, about some interesting things:

The brain of the Amazon river dolphin (Pink Dolphin) is 40% larger than a human brain.

So, seeing as these dolphins brains are bigger than a humans, then, surely, they have some kind of capabilities along the lines of intelligence. Why are these not mentioned in the bible? If their brains are superior to our own, why the hell, would they not get a chance to go to heaven? Why instead does this happen?:

The pink dolphin has been listed as endangered by the International Union for Conservation of the Nature due to pollution, over fishing, excessive boat trafficking and habitat loss.

Is that just? Is this fair? I think not.

This next report:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog

explains the way that dogs have been forced to evolve through breeding, in order to be better used to assist humanity, although this should actually be classed as genetic engineering, which has been cited as blasphemy, and as playing god… This has been happening for thousands of years, so, when god got in touch with with Noah, when Jesus apparently, walked the earth, when Muhammed was converted into a prophet, why was this not mentioned, and stopped?

It is stated that, without dogs and their breeding (forced evolution), man may not have survived for so long, for example, with the crossing of the Bering Strait, which is mentioned on the above page, and, we have all heard stories about how they have assisted us, in many, many ways:
Sniffer dogs, mountain rescue dogs, pulling their owners from burning buildings, defending people from attack, pulling sleds, etc, etc… So… As they have been so key in helping us for so long, would they not deserve a place in Heaven too?

Would Mahatma Ghandi be burning in Hell now, because he was not a Christian?
Would Malcolm X be burning in Hell, because he was so militant in his approaches to changing American Human Rights policies?
Would the millions of Allied soldiers, who fought to restore (relative) peace, during the first and second world wars, be condemned to Hell for breaking the: Thou shalt not murder, commandment?

On the flipside to that, do you think that a rapist or a paedophile, or any other type of criminal, would be allowed into Heaven if he “found God”?
Will the children whom don’t even get to take their 3rd breath be banned to Hell, as they weren’t Christened, before they died?

I look forward to your responses on the above.

Although, in answer to those of you who ask why the majority of us English speakers are picking on Christianity, rather than Islam, that’s because the majority of Western countries, which I imagine that the majority of the forum readers in here come from, will have been brainwashed since youth, into believing in this, although, I can assure you that I have had many, many conversations with ill informed Muslims, who are also unable to offer satisfactory answers about why Darwins theories (which were based on many years of research) would be impossible.

And, while I mention that, I must advise you that I found your statement above rather entertaining:

Science will always hit a brick wall in trying to find the origin of the universe. Faith takes people like me above that wall.

First and foremost, what ******* evidence do you have of anything in the bible? If you can work out how to produce any of the “miracles” which are mentioned in the bible; Parting of a sea, being the ideal choice, without with a stick and faith alone, then, I promise you that I will follow whatever old books’ ideals you throw at me say.

Until then, here’s some reasons why I’ll trust a scientist, over a weirdo in a dress, or any ancient book, any day: http://www.newuniverse.co.uk/Scientists.html

It’s good you acknowledged that God is omniscient, and sure, He is a dictator. I beg to differ though, I am not retarded. There are realms unknown to Science buddy, and you better start asking yourself some serious questions…

I like you though. You sound intelligent. It only beats my imagination how an accident could have created your intelligence, and worse still, how that intelligence can also concur with that wild assumption.

In conclusion, you are a wonderfully made being refusing to accept the truth about your origin : You were created by God.

I know this is rough for you religious types but life is rough. I’m not saying don’t be religious, if it makes you less scared to die then fine, you should enjoy life, not pend it wrrying about death. I’m just saying it’s not real.

For example, the giraffe used to have a shorter neck, and it needed a source of food. The ones with the longer necks had an easier time getting food, so they survived. This happened again and again with the ones with the longer necks surviving, until we got to the ones today, which have the perfect length to get to trees and don’t need to evolve anymore.

Also, we DO have half-human half-monkey skeletons, but it’s not like how you’re thinking, which is probably like a ******* centaur with human on top and monkey on the bottom.

In conclusion, you’re a ****** who believes in an omniscient man in the sky who acts like a dictator.

Sincerely, Crax

While at the same time the same extreme secularists forgets that it was them who invented things like Communism, Abortion, and the damned Atomic Bomb! All of those things killed well over 120 million people of all faiths. And if you want to include all the aborted children across the globe, then that number would be around 1 Billion! Not the mention that for the past 50 years the world has been held hostage because of the atomic weapons atheists have invented. Way to go you so called “enlightened” and “intelligent” freaks, you have surpassed the kill statistics of all the mean and evil religions you hate so much!

When religion had it his way, we were fighting with swords against a Saracen soldier. When militant atheism had it their way, we were on the verge of nuclear winter. You know what? Tell Dawkins that I prefer the landscape populated with a bunch of bearded Amish people rather than the fundamentalist Atheist alternative of a bunch of Emo kids who shoot up their school in Colorado with Tech 9 submachine guns.

The argument over whether religious groups — the Catholic Church in particular — or secular authorities used these sorts of devices is rather beside the underlying point: they both did. Nobody kept a scorecard. To do so would allow the “loser” to use the so-called “Nuremberg defense,” so dubbed when a German on trial for war atrocities, (a relatively low-ranking guy) stammered he had “no idea it would be so many,” to which the prosecutor thundered, “One was too many! (or words to that effect).

Besides, torture, including using devices to do so, WAY predates the Church and Christian-era secular governments (where those existed separate from religion, which I’m not too sure there were very many — if any — of). Think of the “death of a thousand cuts,” a method perfected by the ancient Chinese. It is said that a skilled torturer could stretch out a person’s terrible death over a period of 1,000 days. Check out the Babylonians, Assyrians, Persians, Egyptians, etc. They all had nifty ways of torturing folks, too. Ever hear of the (possibly mythical) “Iron Maiden?” Then there were those fun games in Rome in which the condemned were armed then put into the arena with wild animals. The prisoner could defend himself only so long, and Caesar sure as heck had plenty of animals to loose if need be, unless he decided “Good show!” and spared the poor bast*rd at the last second. (I know, that’s not people directly torturing other people, but it sort of qualifies, doesn’t it?)

Modern examples abound. In parts of the world, the authorities, be they religious or secular, will do stuff like have a person stretched out on the ground, then let the crowd start piling rocks on him (or her) — but ordering a halt before the person died. But the person didn’t know ahead of time he would be “only” tortured, not executed, adding, psychologically, to the terror of the torture.

then there’s Iran, for instance, which when a person is hanged, he isn’t dropped; he’s hoisted, the reasoning being the victim or family of the victim (if the victim died) can forgive the condemned right up until he’s choking his last breath. A few years ago some poor devil dangled for upwards of four minutes, according to media reports, before the surviving family of the victim — I forget the crime — gave in and forgave the guy, at which point he was lowered and revived. Wouldn’t want to have HIS dreams!

Yes, people are capable of extraordinary cruelty; it’s one of the things that distinguishes us from the rest of the animal world.

Check your history books, more people have been killed through other means rather than in the name of Christianity.