10 Bizarre Torture Methods

In Medieval times, they sought out ways to cut back on crime. Instead of letting the criminals sit in a jail cell, like today, they would use different torture devices. These devices came in all shapes and sizes and were meant to scare other would be criminals into not doing the crimes committed by the person being tortured. Let’s check these weird torture methods

10.
The Brazen Bull

This device was designed in Greece by Perillos of Athens. He was a brass founder and he cast the shape of a hollow bull with a door on the side. This condemned person was shut in the bull. There was a fire lit underneath the device and because it was brass it became yellow hot, which would cause the person to roast to death. It was configured with tubes and stops, so when the person was screaming it would sound like the bull was raging.

the brazen bull

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9.
The Breaking Wheel

This wheel of torture was used to kill criminals and it did that very slowly. This device was a large wagon wheel. The criminal would be tied to the wheel, where the punisher would proceed to use a hammer to break the bones of the other person. Once that was completed, they were left there to die and even the birds would peck at their flesh until death was complete.

the breaking wheel

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8.
The Rack

This device is an oblong rectangle with a wooden frame. It was raised from the ground with a roller either at one end or at both ends. One end had a fixed bar, where the feet were locked onto it, and the other end had a moveable bar, where the hands were tied to it. It had a lever that was used as the interrogation progressed. It was on a lever and pulley system that would eventually cause the joints of the person being tortured to dislocate and then separate. Eventually, the muscle fibers userbin, ligaments, and cartilage would break separating the limbs from the body of the condemned.

the rack

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7.
Judas Cradle

This torture device is a pyramid shaped seat. The victim is placed on top of it, with the point inserted into an orifice, then they are very slowly lowered onto it. The condemned was usually naked in order to add to their humiliation. This device was thought to stretch the orifice or to slowly impale the person. The stretching of the orifice would cause pain, rips and tears, which would eventually cause death.

judas cradle

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6.
Coffin Torture

This device was used in the Middle Ages. The condemned would be placed in the metal coffin and left there for the appropriate amount of time. Depending on the crime, the person could be left in there to die, while animals ate their flesh or they would be placed on public display, which would cause their death. The people that would surround the person in the coffin would throw rocks and poke the person with objects until they finally became deceased.

coffin torture

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  • Suze

    Religious types can think of such lovely things to do to people in God’s name, can’t they?

    He must be very proud.

    • David

      What are you talking about? Secular authorities invented most of the torture devices you hear about and were more apt to use them over the Church. The Church tortured yes but if you had a choice back during the inquistion you would much rather be in the hands of the Church than with secular authorities. History is literally a matter of perspective. I suppose people believe that millions were tortured by the Church during the Inquistion. Again, false. The Inquistion although bad, the Church can’t get out from under that shadow was pale in comparison to the surrounding secular authorities

      • amanda

        What “secular authorities” are you talking about, exactly? That seems like a cop out to me. The only reason you’d be better off in the hands of the church during the Inquisition was because they would brutally torture you as a heretic if you went against the required beliefs. I’m not saying that some “secular authorities” weren’t also doing awful things to people, but if we’re comparing to the Inquisition here, at least they weren’t doing it “in the name of God”. If you think about it, “evil secularists” are at least better than the Church, because they do not partake in the hypocrisy of torturing people in the name of some perfect, holy religion, as a consequence of merely not believing the same things.

        • SystmHck

          People will kill and torture. There are good people and bad people. It’s just that simple. Keep your lame excuses of people using religion or not to torture. Whoever has the most power will do whatever they want with it, good or bad…check out the governments and the people these days that promote it… Is killing and torturing OK just because it is more accepted in our “modern” society since we are so used to seeing it in the media and is embraced by creating new amendments to national and international laws?

      • lolwut

        There were no ‘secular authorities.’ Church and State were completely intertwined.

      • Hey, dumbass

        It was the middle ages. There was no ‘secular authority’. Those people who were ‘secular’ were the ones who had these lovely little devices used on them.

    • Cryhavoc66

      Holy shit !!!! These people are ucked up !!!! and I agree religion is the main cause of these things and war , RELIGION !!!!! IS FUCKED UP !!!!! they praise a god then do these things !!!!! sorry to say all those ignorant little religions fucks , wake the fuck up

    • http://revolutionnumber9.tumblr.com Danielle

      Oh Suze, people think of lovely types of things to do to get what they want, and it’s not just in God’s name. I knew someone would quickly make a religious comment, and look at that! It was you!

      Check your history books, more people have been killed through other means rather than in the name of Christianity.

    • Loves You Crazy Fools!

      Religious types can think of lovely things to do in God’s name, when, God is only a metaphor, and a disguise for a powerful man. Christianity was bred by the Roman Empire, and spread to every corner of it, as it’s impending doom, came to collapse, which, explains why the people that would have killed Jesus, and hated him so much, were the one’s to suddenly have an epiphany, after all of their guards took a conveniently timed lunch break, from his tomb, and, he “Rose from the dead.” I doubt that many of Jesus’ followers would’ve been able to read or write in Latin, seeing as, Jesus was meant to be Jewish, thus, would’ve probably spoke Hebrew, so, isn’t it convenient that that collapsing empire, decided to print a load of bibles in Latin, appoint a member of their public to be the voice of God, and, to rule from down the road from where the Roman emperor did?
      Also, Jesus, and the “Saints” magic, would be classed as witchcraft too, doesn’t anyone think?
      The short and simple fact of the matter is, there’s loads of crazy and deluded people in the world, and, there’s plenty of people ready to do whatever they can for power.
      Religious wars and persecution? Just ancient gang warfare:
      What are you doing wearing blue in Blood territory, Crip?
      What are you doing believing in Allah in Christian territory, Heretic?
      Switch some of the words around, and, you’ll see every generations had someting similar: Mods vs Rockers, Black vs White, England vs France, America vs Everyone in sight…
      Same shit, different decade.

      • Kyle Reese

        You all need to learn history and stop watching the world according to Richard Dawkins. Wars in history have occurred for things like land, gold, race, territory boundaries, national heritage, weaponry disputes, natural resources, secularist ideas, and even damn WOMEN! It’s just the self righteous and hypocritical militant atheist douchebags who like to blame everything on religion religion religion all the time.

        While at the same time the same extreme secularists forgets that it was them who invented things like Communism, Abortion, and the damned Atomic Bomb! All of those things killed well over 120 million people of all faiths. And if you want to include all the aborted children across the globe, then that number would be around 1 Billion! Not the mention that for the past 50 years the world has been held hostage because of the atomic weapons atheists have invented. Way to go you so called “enlightened” and “intelligent” freaks, you have surpassed the kill statistics of all the mean and evil religions you hate so much!

        When religion had it his way, we were fighting with swords against a Saracen soldier. When militant atheism had it their way, we were on the verge of nuclear winter. You know what? Tell Dawkins that I prefer the landscape populated with a bunch of bearded Amish people rather than the fundamentalist Atheist alternative of a bunch of Emo kids who shoot up their school in Colorado with Tech 9 submachine guns.

        • mIKE

          true, atheists have had their fair share of murder too. However many of those working on the Manhattan Project were of their own religions too, in fact not many of them were atheist. So, apparently, religious people do not appear to be unwilling to design and build the Nuke to slaughter. Hitler! Hitler was catholic and used his words of God as an excuse to kill eleven million. So apparently the amount of destruction caused by religion is also astronomical. Yes there were many people who did not have a religion that killed, but that was recently. Until then, if you did not believe in God, you would probably be killed. This is not a black and white discussion, there are many people of all faiths, including atheism who have killed. Religion does not stop, or even hinder people’s capacity to kill, there is, somewhere, in every person the morbid desire to cause pain to another. Religion cannot stop this, the only reason that we were fighting with swords was because we did not have anything better at the time. The only hindrance to cause pain is not religion, it is technology. If, during the crusades, we had nuclear bombs, we would have used them just as readily as we had used the sword.

          • Lunger

            Hitler was not Catholic. Raised in a Catholic family, yes, but let’s not delude ourselves and suggest he was a confirmed Catholic. If anything he was athiest or agnostic simply by his complete lack of any religious faith he displayed through his adult life. His political speeches are the only thing from Hitler that mention God…and that is it politics. Its like Obama promising change in his speeches – simply to get elected.

            • Mekhong Kurt

              No, Lunger, it’s most decidely *not* “like Obama promising change in his speeches – simply to get elected.” We don’t see Obama rounding up, oh, say — the white crackers in the South and shipping them off to some American equivalent of Auschwitz, do we? Or Latinos? Nor Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus,nor gypsies, the homeless, Republicans, foreigners of various stripes, Communists, etc.?

              Yes, Lunger, Hitler gave speeches for political purposes. Yes, Obama gives speeches for political purposes. But to compare Obama to that monster Hitler isn’t merely essentially invalid beyond that single ludicrous point, it’s offensive. Yes, I’m American, but I would feel exactly the same had you said that about, say, Britain’s Prime Minister Brown.

              Now, had you compared Hitler to Stalin or Mao, to use two of his contemporaries, that would have been valid, since they, like Hitler, were murderous and genocidal megalomaniacs. Or you could have used contemporary examples, such as Irananian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad or North Korean “Dear Leader” Kim Jong-il, though they both far “short” of achieving the great “glories” Hitler achieved of murdering millions, as far as I know anyway.

              Your comparison is akin to noting the fact that Hitler breathed air, you breathe air, I breathe air, everybody breathes air — se we’re ALL Hitlers, or wannabes.

              Yes, the comparison is deeply offensive, not just to every American, including those who loathe President Obama — after all, you essentially said Americans are Hitlers — but to virtually every single human being on the planet, including, presumably, yourself.

  • Ecchin

    First I thought it would be nice to read this page. Now I’m really disgusted.

    • rale

      fu*** weir methods, isn’t it? :S

  • Ecchin

    First I thought it would be nice to read this page. Now I’m really disgusted.

    • rale

      fu*** weir methods, isn’t it? :S

  • foldered

    how would you think “bizarre torture methods” would be nice… D:

  • foldered

    how would you think “bizarre torture methods” would be nice… D:

  • http://DesignsDelight.com/ designsdelight

    Ouch, I alway thought the spanish inquisition had the worst torture instruments but there are some really bizaree ones on the list.

    This is my first time on this sight and this is a rare a neat site, if you are friends with Dark Roasted lend you are in excellent company.

  • http://DesignsDelight.com designsdelight

    Ouch, I alway thought the spanish inquisition had the worst torture instruments but there are some really bizaree ones on the list.

    This is my first time on this sight and this is a rare a neat site, if you are friends with Dark Roasted lend you are in excellent company.

  • matt

    Should have included the pear of anguish too

  • matt

    Should have included the pear of anguish too

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  • Me-Mo

    The Inquisition.All done in the name of a loving and compassionate God.
    More people have been killed in the name of God than in all wars combined.If he(or she),loves you so much why allow this to happen in their name? Religion is a strange cup of tea.God loves you unconditionally,but if you don’t follow his rules,he will kill you.God loves you so much he will condemn you to the firey depths of hell for All Eternity.Read the Bible,there are so many contradictions about God’s love for mankind and the way he(or she)expresses displeasure at us.That maybe it is better to be an Atheist.Well that and the story about the invisible man that lives in the sky,who knocked a woman up,without having sex with her.Then was born as his own son,came to earth.Was killed came back to life,and then went back up to the sky to live with himself.But that’s for you to decide,isn’t it.

    • fyi

      The Inquisition – started by Roman Catholic Church. The Catholic church is one of the beasts described in Bible prophecy, in Daniel and Revelation. This beast arises from the people and is a religious-political power that many worship, but does not following the teachings of Christ. One horn of the beast(the Pope) speaks blasphemies against God and true followers. The pope declares to be replacement of Jesus and have power to change the Bible law. For this fact, it is in complete opposition to God. Any torture “in the name of God” is not of biblical teachings. Anything of such is purely satanic, and not what true followers of Christ believe.

      Sure, death will be a result of rejection of Jesus, but, if you can’t love Him now than why would you want eternal life? You obviously would be unhappy to live with Him forever, so eternal death is the only alternative. And no – no one will be condemned to hell(as in a fiery place) for eternity (that would mean those who reject God would become immortal).

      • Tristan

        You must be a Jehovah’s Witless to believe that (that there is no Hell) Jesus spoke more about Hell than any other preacher in both Testaments. He talked about it more than the Kingdom of Heaven.

        • ug

          Thats because the bible was written to scare people into behaving in the way that the church thought was acceptable among other reasons, not to entice you to a magical wonderland. If you want people to do what you want you get more by scaring them into it.

          I know this is rough for you religious types but life is rough. I’m not saying don’t be religious, if it makes you less scared to die then fine, you should enjoy life, not pend it wrrying about death. I’m just saying it’s not real.

        • ug

          Thats because the bible was written to scare people into behaving in the way that the church thought was acceptable among other reasons, not to entice you to a magical wonderland. If you want people to do what you want you get more by scaring them into it.

          I know this is rough for you religious types but life is rough. I’m not saying don’t be religious, if it makes you less scared to die then fine, you should enjoy life, not pend it wrrying about death. I’m just saying it’s not real.

        • fyi

          I never said that I believed there is no hell (Okay, I DO believe there isn’t hell right now, but there will be after the thousand years, which the Bible describes in Rev. 20).

    • Jon

      These devices are NOT biblical. They were used by an elite order of sadists to maintain they’re power over an uneducated people who were repeatedly taught specific passages out of context. God was only an excuse. No member of the inquisition is in Heaven.

      If you believe in that, of course.

      Reading the bible from front to back will always cause confusion because it is not time-line based.

      Study something (not just read) before you form opinions and comment.

    • Jon

      Me-Mo
      Please learn to use spaces.

    • http://www.purple.com/ Side dish

      Ah, people always saying it’s religion’s fault! It’s not religion’s fault at all at all, the people who have badly interpreted it are the ones to blame

      • Noch

        Odd that all these gods would make their religious texts so ambiguous…almost like they were written not by an infallible deity but by regular people. Hmmm….

    • amanda

      awesome. it’s so true, it’s all just ridiculousness. such hypocrisy, torturing someone so they’ll believe that God really does love them….

    • Goose09

      Uh, you might want to check that statistic on the casualties of war. I think you might be a little off… Unless of course you consider every war to be a holy war, in which case, you’re absolutely right!

    • Bebop

      You’re so wrong but thanks for spouting that often used quote about more people being killed in the name of God. The leaders in the genocide race Hitler , Stalin and Mussolini were all Secular humanists.

      • http://www.facebook.com/jason.fischer.5496 Jason Fischer

        In other words, you’re a complete moron who has no idea what a “secular humanist” is. Good to know.

        To make it very clear for you, anyone who calls Hitler a secular humanist is only revealing their own complete ignorance.

    • Oberstminga

      Completely untrue.
      Religion has saved more lives than killed. Consider the Hospitalers and the many monks and nuns who administered health to the poor.
      St John’;s ambulance service runs the majority of ambulances in the Christian world. Muslim charities and Magid David the same.
      How many doctors and physicians were trained i n universities established by Christians and Muslims?
      How many scientists, scholars and even Richard Dawkins were educated in Christan established universities, schools and even the concept of public health and education stem from religion.
      Atheism killed more people than in all wars combined.
      Mao’s Cultural Revolution- 35-55 million.
      Stalin’s Purges, Ukraine Famine, White Canal, Communist Revolution, Five Year plans, Patriotic War, Gulag Archipelago, Wheat quotas- 15-20 million killed.

      Hitler’s Fascist Imperialist showdown with Communist Imperialist (waged entirely for resources, not over religion or even ideology, Hitler stated when asked about the difference between National Socialism and Marxism said: “They are both essentially the same…”.

      Can the atheist state that in an infinite universe, his earthbound, human experiences, intelligence, knowledge and perceptions can be universally applied everywhere thus there cannot possibly be a God.
      The answer is no, thus the total arrogance of the atheist.

      When there is an atheist equivalent of a Mother Theresa, then we may pay attention to the self-important drivel of the puffed-up atheist sheep.

    • Oberstminga

      Completely untrue.
      Religion has saved more lives than killed. Consider the Hospitalers and the many monks and nuns who administered health to the poor.
      St John’;s ambulance service runs the majority of ambulances in the Christian world. Muslim charities and Magid David the same.
      How many doctors and physicians were trained i n universities established by Christians and Muslims?
      How many scientists, scholars and even Richard Dawkins were educated in Christan established universities, schools and even the concept of public health and education stem from religion.
      Atheism killed more people than in all wars combined.
      Mao’s Cultural Revolution- 35-55 million.
      Stalin’s Purges, Ukraine Famine, White Canal, Communist Revolution, Five Year plans, Patriotic War, Gulag Archipelago, Wheat quotas- 15-20 million killed.

      Hitler’s Fascist Imperialist showdown with Communist Imperialist (waged entirely for resources, not over religion or even ideology, Hitler stated when asked about the difference between National Socialism and Marxism said: “They are both essentially the same…”.

      Can the atheist state that in an infinite universe, his earthbound, human experiences, intelligence, knowledge and perceptions can be universally applied everywhere thus there cannot possibly be a God.
      The answer is no, thus the total arrogance of the atheist.

      When there is an atheist equivalent of a Mother Theresa, then we may pay attention to the self-important drivel of the puffed-up atheist sheep.

      • http://www.facebook.com/jason.fischer.5496 Jason Fischer

        Yet with your “earthbound, human experiences, intelligence, knowledge and perceptions” you think that, not only can you KNOW that there’s a God, you can know what he thinks and how he feels.

        Thus the total arrogance of the religious.

        For the record, there are many atheist philanthropists – ones, incidentally, who do far less harm than the grossly overrated Mother Theresa. It’s just that many of those atheists don’t feel the need to flaunt their amazingness so much.

      • http://www.facebook.com/jason.fischer.5496 Jason Fischer

        Also, you’re cherrypicking your Hitler quotations. His writings and his speeches make it very clearly that he considered communism one of his arch-enemies.

    • Anonymous

      Religion did not commit these crimes. People who were horribly self aggrandizing and using their religious positions for evil are what did this. There is no Biblical justification for this therefore true faith would condemn these acts.

    • Anonymous

      Your statement ‘More people have been killed in the name of God than in all wars combined’ is a blatant lie. I already addressed this in a previous post and even listed numbers and locations of atheists who are responsible for far more deaths. Read the other posts before thinking you are adding something. You are repeating the blather of other ignoramuses.

  • Me-Mo

    The Inquisition.All done in the name of a loving and compassionate God.
    More people have been killed in the name of God than in all wars combined.If he(or she),loves you so much why allow this to happen in their name? Religion is a strange cup of tea.God loves you unconditionally,but if you don’t follow his rules,he will kill you.God loves you so much he will condemn you to the firey depths of hell for All Eternity.Read the Bible,there are so many contradictions about God’s love for mankind and the way he(or she)expresses displeasure at us.That maybe it is better to be an Atheist.Well that and the story about the invisible man that lives in the sky,who knocked a woman up,without having sex with her.Then was born as his own son,came to earth.Was killed came back to life,and then went back up to the sky to live with himself.But that’s for you to decide,isn’t it.

    • fyi

      The Inquisition – started by Roman Catholic Church. The Catholic church is one of the beasts described in Bible prophecy, in Daniel and Revelation. This beast arises from the people and is a religious-political power that many worship, but does not following the teachings of Christ. One horn of the beast(the Pope) speaks blasphemies against God and true followers. The pope declares to be replacement of Jesus and have power to change the Bible law. For this fact, it is in complete opposition to God. Any torture “in the name of God” is not of biblical teachings. Anything of such is purely satanic, and not what true followers of Christ believe.

      Sure, death will be a result of rejection of Jesus, but, if you can’t love Him now than why would you want eternal life? You obviously would be unhappy to live with Him forever, so eternal death is the only alternative. And no – no one will be condemned to hell(as in a fiery place) for eternity (that would mean those who reject God would become immortal).

      • Tristan

        You must be a Jehovah’s Witless to believe that (that there is no Hell) Jesus spoke more about Hell than any other preacher in both Testaments. He talked about it more than the Kingdom of Heaven.

        • ug

          Thats because the bible was written to scare people into behaving in the way that the church thought was acceptable among other reasons, not to entice you to a magical wonderland. If you want people to do what you want you get more by scaring them into it.

          I know this is rough for you religious types but life is rough. I’m not saying don’t be religious, if it makes you less scared to die then fine, you should enjoy life, not pend it wrrying about death. I’m just saying it’s not real.

    • Jon

      These devices are NOT biblical. They were used by an elite order of sadists to maintain they’re power over an uneducated people who were repeatedly taught specific passages out of context. God was only an excuse. No member of the inquisition is in Heaven.

      If you believe in that, of course.

      Reading the bible from front to back will always cause confusion because it is not time-line based.

      Study something (not just read) before you form opinions and comment.

    • Jon

      Me-Mo
      Please learn to use spaces.

    • http://www.purple.com Side dish

      Ah, people always saying it’s religion’s fault! It’s not religion’s fault at all at all, the people who have badly interpreted it are the ones to blame

    • amanda

      awesome. it’s so true, it’s all just ridiculousness. such hypocrisy, torturing someone so they’ll believe that God really does love them….

    • Goose09

      Uh, you might want to check that statistic on the casualties of war. I think you might be a little off… Unless of course you consider every war to be a holy war, in which case, you’re absolutely right!

  • http://robinferianto.com/ robb

    committing a crime in those days didn’t seem like a good decision.
    that’s just creepy.

    • Chuck

      “committing a crime in those days didn’t seem like a good decision. that’s just creepy.”

      The only “crime” many of the unlucky torture victims “committed” was not believing in the society’s prevailing delusional fantasy, also known as “God”. Let’s see… you’re a heretic so we’ll torture you until you convert. Then we’ll torture you to make sure you’re not lying. Perhaps you’re a witch. If you drown, you’re innocent.

      • none

        all robb said was ‘crime’, and you’re turning it into a religious battle. You could at least acknowledge that murder and theft were punished in these ways as well. The guy didn’t even mention heretics as being real criminals or deserving it or anything.

        now that it is a religious battle:
        do you really think belief in god is what caused these problems? It’s fanatical people. Anyone who goes batshit crazy over something is causing the problem. Like insane politicians and mad movie fans. It’s not the fault of a belief system that provides some explanation of the existence of humanity, gives people a feeling of purpose in their lives and reassures people that dying isn’t the end of everything. As someone mentioned elsewhere, interpretations of religion are the issue.

        • http://www.facebook.com/jason.fischer.5496 Jason Fischer

          “Mad movie fans?”

  • http://robinferianto.com/ robb

    committing a crime in those days didn’t seem like a good decision.
    that’s just creepy.

    • Chuck

      “committing a crime in those days didn’t seem like a good decision. that’s just creepy.”

      The only “crime” many of the unlucky torture victims “committed” was not believing in the society’s prevailing delusional fantasy, also known as “God”. Let’s see… you’re a heretic so we’ll torture you until you convert. Then we’ll torture you to make sure you’re not lying. Perhaps you’re a witch. If you drown, you’re innocent.

      • none

        all robb said was ‘crime’, and you’re turning it into a religious battle. You could at least acknowledge that murder and theft were punished in these ways as well. The guy didn’t even mention heretics as being real criminals or deserving it or anything.

        now that it is a religious battle:
        do you really think belief in god is what caused these problems? It’s fanatical people. Anyone who goes batshit crazy over something is causing the problem. Like insane politicians and mad movie fans. It’s not the fault of a belief system that provides some explanation of the existence of humanity, gives people a feeling of purpose in their lives and reassures people that dying isn’t the end of everything. As someone mentioned elsewhere, interpretations of religion are the issue.

  • http://www.thebaldchemist.com/ The Baldchemist

    Like so many of our friends above have stated, it had nothing to do with crime but differing views of religion.
    Nothing has changed though except these days mace, handguns, knives, bombs and the rest are used in Gods name..
    What a sick lot!
    Nothing was ever commited in atheisms name.

    • What?

      Read the news, i’ve seen 3 cases of murders committed in churches and school by a group of or just one atheist questioning if they believed in God, if they stated that they did not believe in God, they were let go if otherwise they were shot in place in 2 out of 3 cases, the third was a test to see who really believed in God… only two men stood and said they believed in God.

    • What?

      Read the news, i’ve seen 3 cases of murders committed in churches and school by a group of or just one atheist questioning if they believed in God, if they stated that they did not believe in God, they were let go if otherwise they were shot in place in 2 out of 3 cases, the third was a test to see who really believed in God… only two men stood and said they believed in God.

      • Sparko

        This is proof that there are people who refuse God easily and truly do not follow the teachings of the Bible, that is proof that not all man who exclaims God is part of religion and that you should not judge religion for its abusers.

        get a clue.

      • Sparko

        This is proof that there are people who refuse God easily and truly do not follow the teachings of the Bible, that is proof that not all man who exclaims God is part of religion and that you should not judge religion for its abusers.

        get a clue.

      • Ashley

        could u please be more specific? it is really easy to write all that without any citation to back it up.

  • http://www.thebaldchemist.com The Baldchemist

    Like so many of our friends above have stated, it had nothing to do with crime but differing views of religion.
    Nothing has changed though except these days mace, handguns, knives, bombs and the rest are used in Gods name..
    What a sick lot!
    Nothing was ever commited in atheisms name.

    • What?

      Read the news, i’ve seen 3 cases of murders committed in churches and school by a group of or just one atheist questioning if they believed in God, if they stated that they did not believe in God, they were let go if otherwise they were shot in place in 2 out of 3 cases, the third was a test to see who really believed in God… only two men stood and said they believed in God.

      • Sparko

        This is proof that there are people who refuse God easily and truly do not follow the teachings of the Bible, that is proof that not all man who exclaims God is part of religion and that you should not judge religion for its abusers.

        get a clue.

      • Ashley

        could u please be more specific? it is really easy to write all that without any citation to back it up.

  • James Smith, João Pessoa, Braz

    As I often say, most of the world’s problems are, and always have been, caused by religion. These are some excellent examples of what “god-loving” people will do to you if you dare to think different;y than they do.

  • James Smith, João Pessoa, Brazil

    As I often say, most of the world’s problems are, and always have been, caused by religion. These are some excellent examples of what “god-loving” people will do to you if you dare to think different;y than they do.

  • Dave

    God had NOTHING to do with the torture devices these sick fucks thought up. Most of the inquisition torture/terrorism was to obtain land, money and possessions from the people the inquisitors sought and was to be given to the catholic church. Please try not to confuse God’s love with man’s inherent flaws.

    • Bosco

      Yeah, sure God had nothing to do with these devices. If god wants you punished for whatever reason he simply sends a couple of thugs (I mean angels) over to perhaps turn you into a pillar of salt or change everyone’s language so there’s no communication or kill your first born son or …well we can go on all day like this. Read the bible – God is the master of torture!
      Also, if god made man in his own image, how did man get these flaws you speak of? Inherent means permanent and inseparable- if it were inherent how would we get to heaven. You should try thinking for yourself instead or regurgitating the nonsense you have filled your head with….jackass.

      • Maritimuse

        Listen… As many before me have said, do some real research before you start claiming that God is the master of torture or the cause to all the evil in this world.. Is it God that tortures? Is it God that kills,rapes and steals? NO! Humankind does!

        Sure..God made man in his own image, but God also gave us free will, and selfish as we humans are, we do things that will satisfy our own selfish needs..The evil in this world is created by our own evil actions, God didn’t teach us to torture or be evil, we did that very nicely ourselves.. The sadistic and evil people that came up with these sick instruments were NOT men of God, they were inspired by their own evil and by Satan. Read some of the new testament as well, not just the old. Jesus died for us! He was tortured and crusified, by humankind! We let a murderer live in order to kill Jesus Christ..

        And by the way, Dave is thinking more for himself than your do, with your ignorance, you follow the easiest way,as most people do,we blame God for our own actions!

        • Bosco

          You cannot have a New Testament without an Old Testament. One does not contradict the other. I have read and studied the Holy Bible, as a matter of fact I studied theology to become a minister some years ago, the sadistic and evil people you mention are all a part of a story prophesied thousands of years before it happened. And if YOU had read the Holy Bible, New and Old Test., you would realize according to the story -Jesus’ torture and crucifixion were all necessary to receive eternal life. He was a perfect sacrifice to take away our sins. Soooo…. If you believe the word of God than you have to believe that these men were not inspired by evil or Satan- they were actually doing God’s work, because without Crists’ perfect sacrifice none of us evil humans would be forgiven and we would not get to heaven. Maritimuse, I think you may be just as much of a jackass as Dave. See, if you would think a little more for yourself you would understand you are the one taking the easy way out. You blame all these atrocities on Satan or Evil, when really it’s mankind doing it. And if God has a plan, which as a good Christian you must believe, THIS IS ALL PART OF IT!!!

          • Anna

            So, you believe that because Jesus died for our sins, now we can do whatever we want because we’ll be forgiven for it? So, you’re saying that it would be God’s will that I go torture and murder someone who does not believe the same things I do today? …That is the dumbest and least thought out argument I have seen here. Just because Jesus was crucified for us, it doesn’t mean that the devil and all his evil disappeared – that’s why His second coming is necessary.

            • T

              Anna, honestly, if we were raised in another part of the world, this debate would be about Allah, Buddha, Harry Krishna, whatever…
              Mankind as a whole, has developed more in the past 150 years, than it ever did in the 1860 years that these books formed the basis’ for most peoples existences.
              If God sets paths for everything to happen for a reason, if God really gave a rats arse about humanity, would he not have given us the minor pushes that we required to connect our planet, and to make everyone see that we’re one and the same, and, that the future of mankind, and our planet, rests in our hands, rather than advising us that heretics should be stoned to death, or killed?
              Watch this:
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGoYbjzy8-s

            • T

              Anna, honestly, if we were raised in another part of the world, this debate would be about Allah, Buddha, Harry Krishna, whatever…
              Mankind as a whole, has developed more in the past 150 years, than it ever did in the 1860 years that these books formed the basis’ for most peoples existences.
              If God sets paths for everything to happen for a reason, if God really gave a rats arse about humanity, would he not have given us the minor pushes that we required to connect our planet, and to make everyone see that we’re one and the same, and, that the future of mankind, and our planet, rests in our hands, rather than advising us that heretics should be stoned to death, or killed?
              Watch this:
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGoYbjzy8-s

          • Bosco

            Anna, c’mon. Where did you read that I believe Jesus died for my sins?
            Pay attention:
            You said “…Jesus died for our sins, now we can do whatever we want because we’ll be forgiven for it.”
            According to the Bible, yes. I can break any of The Ten Commandments, ask God for forgiveness, get baptized, be forgiven and go to Heaven (Acts 2:38, among many other passages).
            You also said “Just because Jesus was crucified for us, it doesn’t mean that the devil and all his evil disappeared – that’s why His second coming is necessary.”
            WTF, where did I say the devil and evil has disappeared?!?!
            I think all the insight and wisdom you have managed to acquire in high school has really let you down here.
            Here’s an idea- Try thinking for yourself.

            • Xavier

              You believe that the simple act of asking for forgiveness will grant you just that, haha. Sheer logic and reason, mister “think for yourself”, would tell you that you obviously cannot half-ass an apology and expect to be free from it, when it is an honest repentance it will not be a matter of “ask God for forgiveness, get baptized, be forgiven and go to Heaven” after you do whatever the hell you want, you’re just quoting modern catholic practices and their loose and vague interpretations of how the underlining of God’s TRUE work goes, you clearly have no real idea of what the bible says, you can read it front to back and take as many fancy classes as you like, if your heart is empty and you take every single word to it’s most common interpretations you will easily be tricked out of your “belief” by the simplest of ways. The true meanings often lie behind the smallest details that can change any “just do it and you’re forgiven” into an act of righteousness, God can tell if you’ve learned nothing and simply do it to pick the easy way out. You can quote the bible as much as you want, it is evident you have no idea what it means in reality.

              I understand and respect where you stand in theological views and i won’t bother you or anyone else in w/e they believe or don’t believe in. But have the decency to at least act like a man (or woman?) of experience (as you so claim) and don’t Ridicule other beliefs in a vague act to find meaning in your life. If you don’t believe in it that’s you, but it would be ignorant and stupid to take it to others who don’t even aggravate you or KNOW you for no reason(because im led to believe you have no spiritual beliefs). But if you belong some religion, dedicated to ridicule others, by all means make an asshole out of yourself on the internet.

              God bless you regardless.

              • Xavier

                also, an issue i faild to address its this:

                You obviously understand, that by the writings in the bible it is said that everything that happens, good or bad, is meant to happen because it is by this occurring that it will all be better in the end *end rainbow*

                No, Jesus may have died to cleanse our us of our sins but Jesus’ purpose, which went till the grave was not to be at the start of it all, we were sinners since the forbidden fruit and it was by then that our free will became the “fruit” of our sins, it was when god saw that we took his gift and turned it into an array or selfishness and sin that he sent Jesus as a sort of guide for us, to ultimately die and cleanse us, brutal as it may be, you all must be thinking “Wow what a bastard! sending his son to cleanse us?! BAH! seems awfully selfish!” It’s a sacrifice, i know we did not deserve it, i know it was brutal for a selfish nation, but hay, none of them killed jesus to be cleansed but when we learned that it was the hidden purpose we became devoted to thanking him for giving us something we know we do not deserve, for being eternally mercifull with a clearly selfish race. It’s the very reason that we’re so grateful for this and why we are so driven to serve God, sacrifice pleasures of life, hours maybe even days of our life to him still in prosecution by today’s modern society, still thinking were that barbaric bunch of bastards that killed “in the name of God” gibberish, these killed for power, these killed to have their word as law, many of them did not believe in god as much as the heretics they tortured. Anyone can scream a thousand lies, does that mean they believe in them? or maybe that they did it for their own selfish reasons, far from let’s say…what a certain book talks about? maybe they used lies to spread fear and used the name of God not as a right but as an excuse? So religion really isn’t such a card in that tragic page of history as much as how man abuses religion to get what he wants, if you don’t care or believe for any kind of religion, why are you all so crazed to believe “that it must have been religion!!!” no other explanation, it couldn’t be a selfish man, abusing the word of God, “nope, it had to be the invisible man i certainly don’t believe exists, but it was HIM!!!” listen to yourselves for once.

                idk its just been something that always had bothered me lol

              • Xavier

                also, an issue i faild to address its this:

                You obviously understand, that by the writings in the bible it is said that everything that happens, good or bad, is meant to happen because it is by this occurring that it will all be better in the end *end rainbow*

                No, Jesus may have died to cleanse our us of our sins but Jesus’ purpose, which went till the grave was not to be at the start of it all, we were sinners since the forbidden fruit and it was by then that our free will became the “fruit” of our sins, it was when god saw that we took his gift and turned it into an array or selfishness and sin that he sent Jesus as a sort of guide for us, to ultimately die and cleanse us, brutal as it may be, you all must be thinking “Wow what a bastard! sending his son to cleanse us?! BAH! seems awfully selfish!” It’s a sacrifice, i know we did not deserve it, i know it was brutal for a selfish nation, but hay, none of them killed jesus to be cleansed but when we learned that it was the hidden purpose we became devoted to thanking him for giving us something we know we do not deserve, for being eternally mercifull with a clearly selfish race. It’s the very reason that we’re so grateful for this and why we are so driven to serve God, sacrifice pleasures of life, hours maybe even days of our life to him still in prosecution by today’s modern society, still thinking were that barbaric bunch of bastards that killed “in the name of God” gibberish, these killed for power, these killed to have their word as law, many of them did not believe in god as much as the heretics they tortured. Anyone can scream a thousand lies, does that mean they believe in them? or maybe that they did it for their own selfish reasons, far from let’s say…what a certain book talks about? maybe they used lies to spread fear and used the name of God not as a right but as an excuse? So religion really isn’t such a card in that tragic page of history as much as how man abuses religion to get what he wants, if you don’t care or believe for any kind of religion, why are you all so crazed to believe “that it must have been religion!!!” no other explanation, it couldn’t be a selfish man, abusing the word of God, “nope, it had to be the invisible man i certainly don’t believe exists, but it was HIM!!!” listen to yourselves for once.

                idk its just been something that always had bothered me lol

                • Xavier

                  Yes the sins are inherent to the human race, you also said that it was through Jesus’ torture and crucifixion that we got a crack at heaven and it is also mentioned in the bible that even though our race has been stained by sin, the few who are righteous and stay firm in the teachings of the bible(not the bullcrap spouted by those blood thirsty, power-drunk “religious leaders” that call themselves men of God, do not worry because they never were) will be granted entrance, NOT by getting on your knees and quickly expecting God to forgive you, not by getting wet and walking off saying “Let’s hit the stripclub i’m cleansed!!!!” a righteous man would never do that would he? not according to the bible which clearly states against the man with two lives, a fake inside the church’s walls and blasphemy outside (don’t bother to quote against me as its obvious you will take anything from the bible with no comprehension) it’s a sacrifice, and Boscos, you have clearly not gone through any sort of sacrifice but your time as you speak with no real knowledge of what the christian religion really is but with what you’ve been told in your little classes, vaguely read and “studied” in the bible and what society has fed you so you could leave the faith. Don’t get into a stupid discussion with stupid reasons and little to no REAL knowledge of what you’re talking about, take the time out your senseless ridicule and hate into REAL Christianity not what you find written or told by obvious Fakes, that will only confuse you and lead you to doubt the bible’s sense when it is really a deep text that “Men of Logic” are trying to dig into with a plastic spork.

                  • bosco

                    As much as I’d like to comment, I have no idea what the hell you’re talking about. Take your time and think about what you want to say and post it in a more clear and understandable fashion.

                • Xavier

                  Yes the sins are inherent to the human race, you also said that it was through Jesus’ torture and crucifixion that we got a crack at heaven and it is also mentioned in the bible that even though our race has been stained by sin, the few who are righteous and stay firm in the teachings of the bible(not the bullcrap spouted by those blood thirsty, power-drunk “religious leaders” that call themselves men of God, do not worry because they never were) will be granted entrance, NOT by getting on your knees and quickly expecting God to forgive you, not by getting wet and walking off saying “Let’s hit the stripclub i’m cleansed!!!!” a righteous man would never do that would he? not according to the bible which clearly states against the man with two lives, a fake inside the church’s walls and blasphemy outside (don’t bother to quote against me as its obvious you will take anything from the bible with no comprehension) it’s a sacrifice, and Boscos, you have clearly not gone through any sort of sacrifice but your time as you speak with no real knowledge of what the christian religion really is but with what you’ve been told in your little classes, vaguely read and “studied” in the bible and what society has fed you so you could leave the faith. Don’t get into a stupid discussion with stupid reasons and little to no REAL knowledge of what you’re talking about, take the time out your senseless ridicule and hate into REAL Christianity not what you find written or told by obvious Fakes, that will only confuse you and lead you to doubt the bible’s sense when it is really a deep text that “Men of Logic” are trying to dig into with a plastic spork.

            • Xavier

              You believe that the simple act of asking for forgiveness will grant you just that, haha. Sheer logic and reason, mister “think for yourself”, would tell you that you obviously cannot half-ass an apology and expect to be free from it, when it is an honest repentance it will not be a matter of “ask God for forgiveness, get baptized, be forgiven and go to Heaven” after you do whatever the hell you want, you’re just quoting modern catholic practices and their loose and vague interpretations of how the underlining of God’s TRUE work goes, you clearly have no real idea of what the bible says, you can read it front to back and take as many fancy classes as you like, if your heart is empty and you take every single word to it’s most common interpretations you will easily be tricked out of your “belief” by the simplest of ways. The true meanings often lie behind the smallest details that can change any “just do it and you’re forgiven” into an act of righteousness, God can tell if you’ve learned nothing and simply do it to pick the easy way out. You can quote the bible as much as you want, it is evident you have no idea what it means in reality.

              I understand and respect where you stand in theological views and i won’t bother you or anyone else in w/e they believe or don’t believe in. But have the decency to at least act like a man (or woman?) of experience (as you so claim) and don’t Ridicule other beliefs in a vague act to find meaning in your life. If you don’t believe in it that’s you, but it would be ignorant and stupid to take it to others who don’t even aggravate you or KNOW you for no reason(because im led to believe you have no spiritual beliefs). But if you belong some religion, dedicated to ridicule others, by all means make an asshole out of yourself on the internet.

              God bless you regardless.

    • Napican

      Mankind -is- inherently flawed isn’t it? (Including my own, and YOUR, reasoning, so, let’s just bare this in mind)

      Did some supernatural being came from some other place and physically write the bible all in one sitting?

      No, I don’t think it did. In fact, I have reason to believe that a bunch of old men who never even met Jesus decided to write about him and all these other tales told by a person from another person from another person.

      “Virgin” was mistranslated from “young woman”– Mary wasn’t a virgin, by the way, some fool bollocks-ed up the Hebrew from Aramaic translation of “Young Woman” (or “woman of marrying age”) to the Greek word for virgin AND EVERYTHING SPIRALED OUT OF CONTROL FROM THERE. [http://www.2think.org/hii/virgin.shtml]

      This being taken into account, and the fact of how blatantly flawed eye-witness testimony is [http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Accuracy-of-Eye-Witness-Testimony-and-Its-Flaws&id=328261], I CANNOT accept anything in the bible as true or even sound advice at some times.

      Ultimately, God’s love does not come from some book written in the Bronze Age, especially when one is relying on the fallibility of mankind; or even more so when the people who wrote had an agenda. I don’t know where “god’s love” comes from and since I’m an Atheist for the time being I don’t believe I’ll ever know of this seemingly fictitious feeling some people speak of.

      And not unlike what others have been saying about how people in power will use whatever means to keep it– I have to say: Whether religious or not, those few greedy, power-hungry, and warmongering sons-a-bitches will always, ALWAYS, find a way to assert their power.

      It is religion’s unfortunate place to be the pretext of these maniacs’ plans. I don’t think anyone can say for certain that if religion weren’t around this crazy stuff would not have happened. In fact, I have reason to believe that humans will almost always find different means to tear each other apart for some reason or another.

      Just as the minister below me has said, it IS men that are doing these things. Just as I believe that it is MEN that are capable of so many better things. We evolved these wonderful brains and morals for the purpose of survival, and for good Darwinian reasons: we are still a species today. Granted, it’s only been 200,000 years since Homo Sapiens came onto the scene (a mere HALF amount of time of our “cousins” the Neanderthals) [http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/beta/evolution/becoming-human-part-1.html].

      But nonetheless, man is certainly fallible, and therefore I don’t think that believing in “God’s Love” according to the tainting telephone game that is our terrible tendency in life to perpetuate is something that one should be living their life by. Or something to even consider.

  • Dave

    God had NOTHING to do with the torture devices these sick fucks thought up. Most of the inquisition torture/terrorism was to obtain land, money and possessions from the people the inquisitors sought and was to be given to the catholic church. Please try not to confuse God’s love with man’s inherent flaws.

    • Bosco

      Yeah, sure God had nothing to do with these devices. If god wants you punished for whatever reason he simply sends a couple of thugs (I mean angels) over to perhaps turn you into a pillar of salt or change everyone’s language so there’s no communication or kill your first born son or …well we can go on all day like this. Read the bible – God is the master of torture!
      Also, if god made man in his own image, how did man get these flaws you speak of? Inherent means permanent and inseparable- if it were inherent how would we get to heaven. You should try thinking for yourself instead or regurgitating the nonsense you have filled your head with….jackass.

      • Maritimuse

        Listen… As many before me have said, do some real research before you start claiming that God is the master of torture or the cause to all the evil in this world.. Is it God that tortures? Is it God that kills,rapes and steals? NO! Humankind does!

        Sure..God made man in his own image, but God also gave us free will, and selfish as we humans are, we do things that will satisfy our own selfish needs..The evil in this world is created by our own evil actions, God didn’t teach us to torture or be evil, we did that very nicely ourselves.. The sadistic and evil people that came up with these sick instruments were NOT men of God, they were inspired by their own evil and by Satan. Read some of the new testament as well, not just the old. Jesus died for us! He was tortured and crusified, by humankind! We let a murderer live in order to kill Jesus Christ..

        And by the way, Dave is thinking more for himself than your do, with your ignorance, you follow the easiest way,as most people do,we blame God for our own actions!

        • Bosco

          You cannot have a New Testament without an Old Testament. One does not contradict the other. I have read and studied the Holy Bible, as a matter of fact I studied theology to become a minister some years ago, the sadistic and evil people you mention are all a part of a story prophesied thousands of years before it happened. And if YOU had read the Holy Bible, New and Old Test., you would realize according to the story -Jesus’ torture and crucifixion were all necessary to receive eternal life. He was a perfect sacrifice to take away our sins. Soooo…. If you believe the word of God than you have to believe that these men were not inspired by evil or Satan- they were actually doing God’s work, because without Crists’ perfect sacrifice none of us evil humans would be forgiven and we would not get to heaven. Maritimuse, I think you may be just as much of a jackass as Dave. See, if you would think a little more for yourself you would understand you are the one taking the easy way out. You blame all these atrocities on Satan or Evil, when really it’s mankind doing it. And if God has a plan, which as a good Christian you must believe, THIS IS ALL PART OF IT!!!

          • Anna

            So, you believe that because Jesus died for our sins, now we can do whatever we want because we’ll be forgiven for it? So, you’re saying that it would be God’s will that I go torture and murder someone who does not believe the same things I do today? …That is the dumbest and least thought out argument I have seen here. Just because Jesus was crucified for us, it doesn’t mean that the devil and all his evil disappeared – that’s why His second coming is necessary.

            • T

              Anna, honestly, if we were raised in another part of the world, this debate would be about Allah, Buddha, Harry Krishna, whatever…
              Mankind as a whole, has developed more in the past 150 years, than it ever did in the 1860 years that these books formed the basis’ for most peoples existences.
              If God sets paths for everything to happen for a reason, if God really gave a rats arse about humanity, would he not have given us the minor pushes that we required to connect our planet, and to make everyone see that we’re one and the same, and, that the future of mankind, and our planet, rests in our hands, rather than advising us that heretics should be stoned to death, or killed?
              Watch this:
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGoYbjzy8-s

          • Bosco

            Anna, c’mon. Where did you read that I believe Jesus died for my sins?
            Pay attention:
            You said “…Jesus died for our sins, now we can do whatever we want because we’ll be forgiven for it.”
            According to the Bible, yes. I can break any of The Ten Commandments, ask God for forgiveness, get baptized, be forgiven and go to Heaven (Acts 2:38, among many other passages).
            You also said “Just because Jesus was crucified for us, it doesn’t mean that the devil and all his evil disappeared – that’s why His second coming is necessary.”
            WTF, where did I say the devil and evil has disappeared?!?!
            I think all the insight and wisdom you have managed to acquire in high school has really let you down here.
            Here’s an idea- Try thinking for yourself.

            • Xavier

              You believe that the simple act of asking for forgiveness will grant you just that, haha. Sheer logic and reason, mister “think for yourself”, would tell you that you obviously cannot half-ass an apology and expect to be free from it, when it is an honest repentance it will not be a matter of “ask God for forgiveness, get baptized, be forgiven and go to Heaven” after you do whatever the hell you want, you’re just quoting modern catholic practices and their loose and vague interpretations of how the underlining of God’s TRUE work goes, you clearly have no real idea of what the bible says, you can read it front to back and take as many fancy classes as you like, if your heart is empty and you take every single word to it’s most common interpretations you will easily be tricked out of your “belief” by the simplest of ways. The true meanings often lie behind the smallest details that can change any “just do it and you’re forgiven” into an act of righteousness, God can tell if you’ve learned nothing and simply do it to pick the easy way out. You can quote the bible as much as you want, it is evident you have no idea what it means in reality.

              I understand and respect where you stand in theological views and i won’t bother you or anyone else in w/e they believe or don’t believe in. But have the decency to at least act like a man (or woman?) of experience (as you so claim) and don’t Ridicule other beliefs in a vague act to find meaning in your life. If you don’t believe in it that’s you, but it would be ignorant and stupid to take it to others who don’t even aggravate you or KNOW you for no reason(because im led to believe you have no spiritual beliefs). But if you belong some religion, dedicated to ridicule others, by all means make an asshole out of yourself on the internet.

              God bless you regardless.

              • Xavier

                also, an issue i faild to address its this:

                You obviously understand, that by the writings in the bible it is said that everything that happens, good or bad, is meant to happen because it is by this occurring that it will all be better in the end *end rainbow*

                No, Jesus may have died to cleanse our us of our sins but Jesus’ purpose, which went till the grave was not to be at the start of it all, we were sinners since the forbidden fruit and it was by then that our free will became the “fruit” of our sins, it was when god saw that we took his gift and turned it into an array or selfishness and sin that he sent Jesus as a sort of guide for us, to ultimately die and cleanse us, brutal as it may be, you all must be thinking “Wow what a bastard! sending his son to cleanse us?! BAH! seems awfully selfish!” It’s a sacrifice, i know we did not deserve it, i know it was brutal for a selfish nation, but hay, none of them killed jesus to be cleansed but when we learned that it was the hidden purpose we became devoted to thanking him for giving us something we know we do not deserve, for being eternally mercifull with a clearly selfish race. It’s the very reason that we’re so grateful for this and why we are so driven to serve God, sacrifice pleasures of life, hours maybe even days of our life to him still in prosecution by today’s modern society, still thinking were that barbaric bunch of bastards that killed “in the name of God” gibberish, these killed for power, these killed to have their word as law, many of them did not believe in god as much as the heretics they tortured. Anyone can scream a thousand lies, does that mean they believe in them? or maybe that they did it for their own selfish reasons, far from let’s say…what a certain book talks about? maybe they used lies to spread fear and used the name of God not as a right but as an excuse? So religion really isn’t such a card in that tragic page of history as much as how man abuses religion to get what he wants, if you don’t care or believe for any kind of religion, why are you all so crazed to believe “that it must have been religion!!!” no other explanation, it couldn’t be a selfish man, abusing the word of God, “nope, it had to be the invisible man i certainly don’t believe exists, but it was HIM!!!” listen to yourselves for once.

                idk its just been something that always had bothered me lol

                • Xavier

                  Yes the sins are inherent to the human race, you also said that it was through Jesus’ torture and crucifixion that we got a crack at heaven and it is also mentioned in the bible that even though our race has been stained by sin, the few who are righteous and stay firm in the teachings of the bible(not the bullcrap spouted by those blood thirsty, power-drunk “religious leaders” that call themselves men of God, do not worry because they never were) will be granted entrance, NOT by getting on your knees and quickly expecting God to forgive you, not by getting wet and walking off saying “Let’s hit the stripclub i’m cleansed!!!!” a righteous man would never do that would he? not according to the bible which clearly states against the man with two lives, a fake inside the church’s walls and blasphemy outside (don’t bother to quote against me as its obvious you will take anything from the bible with no comprehension) it’s a sacrifice, and Boscos, you have clearly not gone through any sort of sacrifice but your time as you speak with no real knowledge of what the christian religion really is but with what you’ve been told in your little classes, vaguely read and “studied” in the bible and what society has fed you so you could leave the faith. Don’t get into a stupid discussion with stupid reasons and little to no REAL knowledge of what you’re talking about, take the time out your senseless ridicule and hate into REAL Christianity not what you find written or told by obvious Fakes, that will only confuse you and lead you to doubt the bible’s sense when it is really a deep text that “Men of Logic” are trying to dig into with a plastic spork.

    • Napican

      Mankind -is- inherently flawed isn’t it? (Including my own, and YOUR, reasoning, so, let’s just bare this in mind)

      Did some supernatural being came from some other place and physically write the bible all in one sitting?

      No, I don’t think it did. In fact, I have reason to believe that a bunch of old men who never even met Jesus decided to write about him and all these other tales told by a person from another person from another person.

      “Virgin” was mistranslated from “young woman”– Mary wasn’t a virgin, by the way, some fool bollocks-ed up the Hebrew from Aramaic translation of “Young Woman” (or “woman of marrying age”) to the Greek word for virgin AND EVERYTHING SPIRALED OUT OF CONTROL FROM THERE. [http://www.2think.org/hii/virgin.shtml]

      This being taken into account, and the fact of how blatantly flawed eye-witness testimony is [http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Accuracy-of-Eye-Witness-Testimony-and-Its-Flaws&id=328261], I CANNOT accept anything in the bible as true or even sound advice at some times.

      Ultimately, God’s love does not come from some book written in the Bronze Age, especially when one is relying on the fallibility of mankind; or even more so when the people who wrote had an agenda. I don’t know where “god’s love” comes from and since I’m an Atheist for the time being I don’t believe I’ll ever know of this seemingly fictitious feeling some people speak of.

      And not unlike what others have been saying about how people in power will use whatever means to keep it– I have to say: Whether religious or not, those few greedy, power-hungry, and warmongering sons-a-bitches will always, ALWAYS, find a way to assert their power.

      It is religion’s unfortunate place to be the pretext of these maniacs’ plans. I don’t think anyone can say for certain that if religion weren’t around this crazy stuff would not have happened. In fact, I have reason to believe that humans will almost always find different means to tear each other apart for some reason or another.

      Just as the minister below me has said, it IS men that are doing these things. Just as I believe that it is MEN that are capable of so many better things. We evolved these wonderful brains and morals for the purpose of survival, and for good Darwinian reasons: we are still a species today. Granted, it’s only been 200,000 years since Homo Sapiens came onto the scene (a mere HALF amount of time of our “cousins” the Neanderthals) [http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/beta/evolution/becoming-human-part-1.html].

      But nonetheless, man is certainly fallible, and therefore I don’t think that believing in “God’s Love” according to the tainting telephone game that is our terrible tendency in life to perpetuate is something that one should be living their life by. Or something to even consider.

  • Kevin

    The sawing method seems similar to another method I’ve heard of in which the torturer hand the victim upside down in an X fashion, while two people saw, very, very slowly, down the middle, starting with the groin. Nobody would survive past the abdomen, due to suffocation. Since the blood rushed to their head, they would not lose consciousness due to blood loss, so they would feel every tooth of the saw.

  • Kevin

    The sawing method seems similar to another method I’ve heard of in which the torturer hand the victim upside down in an X fashion, while two people saw, very, very slowly, down the middle, starting with the groin. Nobody would survive past the abdomen, due to suffocation. Since the blood rushed to their head, they would not lose consciousness due to blood loss, so they would feel every tooth of the saw.

  • tom

    These things are not from, for and of God. These are from people themselves, people who hated God. There is no love in them. That’s why they’re able to come up with these.

  • tom

    These things are not from, for and of God. These are from people themselves, people who hated God. There is no love in them. That’s why they’re able to come up with these.

  • ritz

    oh shit manzzzzzz

  • ritz

    oh shit manzzzzzz

  • Adam

    Don’t forget that most of the target torturees also believed in God. Throughout history people have fought over the perfect way to serve their God. The problems start when those people start following their own selfish desires instead of God’s perfect plan for their lives. They turn from pleasing God to pleasing man. Without God’s guidance, man is capable of doing pretty much anything evil. With God’s guidance made possible through Jesus Christ, just the opposite is true. God’s Word never changes, it is people who change, for better or for worse.

  • Adam

    Don’t forget that most of the target torturees also believed in God. Throughout history people have fought over the perfect way to serve their God. The problems start when those people start following their own selfish desires instead of God’s perfect plan for their lives. They turn from pleasing God to pleasing man. Without God’s guidance, man is capable of doing pretty much anything evil. With God’s guidance made possible through Jesus Christ, just the opposite is true. God’s Word never changes, it is people who change, for better or for worse.

  • Crax

    Actually, these WERE made by the church and were officially sanctioned by the pope. Remember the Salem Witch Trials? How they would crush you with stones until you pled guilty and were then killed? That was a Catholic Movement. No matter how you say that they sicken you, or that the people who used these went to hell, or that they weren’t TRUE Catholics, the fact remains that they are a part of the churches history, and there they will remain.

    • Xavier

      The people who were killed were also part of the history…did they believe in God? small possibility but it is most likely that they didn’t, therefore were not part of the following or belief per se… They are still part of the history of the Men and Women who abused the name of God and killed thousands to maintain their twisted reigns of power FAR from God’s will and the belief itself.

      So i hope you don’t mean this is still fault of religion. You can be a worker in a special cuisines’ shop and sell a kitchen knife to a man who later kills his wife with that knife, was it your fault? no, you were used to create the effect but you were not the cause.

    • Xavier

      The people who were killed were also part of the history…did they believe in God? small possibility but it is most likely that they didn’t, therefore were not part of the following or belief per se… They are still part of the history of the Men and Women who abused the name of God and killed thousands to maintain their twisted reigns of power FAR from God’s will and the belief itself.

      So i hope you don’t mean this is still fault of religion. You can be a worker in a special cuisines’ shop and sell a kitchen knife to a man who later kills his wife with that knife, was it your fault? no, you were used to create the effect but you were not the cause.

      • Crax

        Actually, most of the tyrants were inspired by the Church, and not just using it as cover. For example, Hitler, while he was also angry at the Jews for amassing wealth in the down-turned economy of Germany post WW1, in many of his speeches he also blamed the Jews for killing Jesus and used that to inspire the Nazis, many of whom were Catholic, including Hitler himself. Now you also said that the Church is not directly responsible for this, but you forget all the Crusades and Inquisitions there were, which were started by the Church specifically. Lastly, in my first example (the Salem Witch Trials) the Church WAS directly responsible as it was not citizens taking matters into their own hands, it was priests meddling in the courthouses on orders from the Church to kill “witches”. The Church even made a document explaining exactly how to do it for FSM’s sake!!!

  • Crax

    Actually, these WERE made by the church and were officially sanctioned by the pope. Remember the Salem Witch Trials? How they would crush you with stones until you pled guilty and were then killed? That was a Catholic Movement. No matter how you say that they sicken you, or that the people who used these went to hell, or that they weren’t TRUE Catholics, the fact remains that they are a part of the churches history, and there they will remain.

    • Xavier

      The people who were killed were also part of the history…did they believe in God? small possibility but it is most likely that they didn’t, therefore were not part of the following or belief per se… They are still part of the history of the Men and Women who abused the name of God and killed thousands to maintain their twisted reigns of power FAR from God’s will and the belief itself.

      So i hope you don’t mean this is still fault of religion. You can be a worker in a special cuisines’ shop and sell a kitchen knife to a man who later kills his wife with that knife, was it your fault? no, you were used to create the effect but you were not the cause.

      • Crax

        Actually, most of the tyrants were inspired by the Church, and not just using it as cover. For example, Hitler, while he was also angry at the Jews for amassing wealth in the down-turned economy of Germany post WW1, in many of his speeches he also blamed the Jews for killing Jesus and used that to inspire the Nazis, many of whom were Catholic, including Hitler himself. Now you also said that the Church is not directly responsible for this, but you forget all the Crusades and Inquisitions there were, which were started by the Church specifically. Lastly, in my first example (the Salem Witch Trials) the Church WAS directly responsible as it was not citizens taking matters into their own hands, it was priests meddling in the courthouses on orders from the Church to kill “witches”. The Church even made a document explaining exactly how to do it for FSM’s sake!!!

  • Wow

    Some Pig

  • Wow

    Some Pig

  • darkscythe7

    To say that the people who are willing to use these devices on other people are inheirently evil is an obvious misunderstanding of the nature of evil. A good person can commit evil acts in a causes name and still feel regret/remorse. An evil person can do good deeds but will care nothing as to whom, a “buying a stairway to heaven” complex to use the old song. It is true that many of these devices were used on actual criminals, but is also true that in those times almost all crimes were cinsidered to be crimes against God. And thus the church was involved with many crime’s punishment regardless as to nature of the crime. And it is also true that more blood has been spilled in the name of religion than in any other cause in human history. So, you must wonder then, since people were so willing to torture others and not only not feel at least tinged with regret or remorse about it, but feel joy and pleasure were the people who used these devices good or evil? And since they took their feelings on using these thyings from their religious aspect of life… what of their religion?

  • darkscythe7

    To say that the people who are willing to use these devices on other people are inheirently evil is an obvious misunderstanding of the nature of evil. A good person can commit evil acts in a causes name and still feel regret/remorse. An evil person can do good deeds but will care nothing as to whom, a “buying a stairway to heaven” complex to use the old song. It is true that many of these devices were used on actual criminals, but is also true that in those times almost all crimes were cinsidered to be crimes against God. And thus the church was involved with many crime’s punishment regardless as to nature of the crime. And it is also true that more blood has been spilled in the name of religion than in any other cause in human history. So, you must wonder then, since people were so willing to torture others and not only not feel at least tinged with regret or remorse about it, but feel joy and pleasure were the people who used these devices good or evil? And since they took their feelings on using these thyings from their religious aspect of life… what of their religion?

  • elmo scary

    u should of put in elmo….

  • elmo scary

    u should of put in elmo….

  • elmo scary

    :(

  • elmo scary

    :(

  • I see strange people

    I believe in unicorns.

  • I see strange people

    I believe in unicorns.

  • Rand

    Nothing was ever committed in atheisms name???
    I take it that you have never heard of the soviet union.

  • Rand

    Nothing was ever committed in atheisms name???
    I take it that you have never heard of the soviet union.

  • קוונט

    most amusing

  • קוונט

    most amusing

  • Frederico

    what ignorance!! you think these methods of torture and execution were devised for CRIMINALS ????? hahaha, a good one! there were designed to provide pleasure for the torturers, and the victims were usually innocent!

  • Frederico

    what ignorance!! you think these methods of torture and execution were devised for CRIMINALS ????? hahaha, a good one! there were designed to provide pleasure for the torturers, and the victims were usually innocent!

  • Pi

    No one kills anyone in the name of god, they use it as an excuse.
    the church wanted people to believe in them, so they could make money to build what today we know as the vatican, or to rule the friggin world, they didnt do it for god or satan or they daughters and sons, they did it for money and power, god’s an excuse.
    the wars that go on today for “religion” are for oil and dominance, again not god, that’s just an excuse that the terrorists use.
    and if god loves us so, why does he let this shit happen? well, there’s something that makes this shit happens… its called humanity..
    stop blaming god for shit and blame humanity, god didn’t kill 6 million jews in the holocaust, nazis did, and god didn’t torture people in the inquisition era, the fucking church did…
    don’t blame god for anything you can come up with, blame humans..

    • Ray

      Amen – It always amazes me that there are so very few who see the truth. Even Jesus said that not all who hear (read) the word of god will understand..

      • Goose09

        Pi you are FUCKING AWESOME! Stole the words from my mouth

    • but…

      Yes, religion is not to blame for the brutal deaths of those killed in its name because, as you said, it is an excuse for underlying motivations stemming from human greed.

      Religion is, however, a idea that is used to permit atrocities in the face of the public and the world. When heretics were burned and alleged witches were tortured, people were convinced that it was just and proper to do so, because God saw it fit to condemn them. Religion blinded them and shrouded the question of “why?”. They accepted the reason as religion.

      • immature children

        it’s not a matter of religion being accepted as an excuse its the matter of Powerful and greedy people knowing how to control the masses like they have done for THOUSANDS OF YEARS and you cannot possibly tell me that their only weapon in doing so was the idea of religion because then that would make any previous retort laughable. Religion is nothing but a brand, and you don’t need to be branded by your faith so please i implore everyone to give the whole “point the finger at the Christians/Muslims/etc” game a long awaited rest, we all know this isn’t going to come to any definite end so stop driving this crazy train into oblivion. People like to mess with others and like to be in control, and they will dig into any asset they can find to control others it’s not the fault of faith, faith was merely the passageway for the true culprits to control the masses and not everyone followed that certain way of thinking so please be a little more open minded people. A lot of these methods were used for intimidation and to gain control of Land, MILITARY and ECONOMIC purposes if all anyone has to say is slander and biased bullshit, keep it to yourselves and continue living your sad lives. This goes to both Atheists and Theists

        • Iamfwomwome

          Best comment yet, immature children

          Externally religion is but a banner to rally your armies and population. Too often used to exclude.

          Internally, however, religious texts provide a foundation for understanding the sciences (agriculture, anatomy, architecture and astronomy) , history and human relations based on love and truth and best possible outcome.

          Jesus and his disciples spoke several languages ( Koine, Hebrew, other trade dialects and probably Latin as well) and benefited from the multicultural sharing of knowledge in his travels. Just as languages and musical interpretation vary from region to region, the symbolic metaphors used to allow the human mind to contemplate Eternity’s Composer will vary depending on mindset and linguistic predilections.

          Sadly, knowledge has deteriorated and Westerners tend to dismiss anything that we think may interfere with our addictions (indoor plumbing, scheduling conflicts, individualism, junk food, technology and other life draining artifacts of modern soceity)

          Basically it boils down to power and control vs the Self.
          If people compare various sacred texts, they are rather consistent in promoting the best for the most. However, the Bible was written / compiled / revised for the benefit of the few – the Jews – by brilliant Roman Empire Ethnic Jewish Christians to psychologically control the future of anyone unfortunate enough to try and implement, much less comprehend their prized secret teachings which afforded them a great deal of privilege over the masses..

          So, let’s not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Religion is a vehicle, but can be misguided or neglected. Is the car to blame for the accident when the driver falls asleep at the wheel allowing the mentally deranged passenger reaches over him to take control and kills everybody?

    • Walden

      “No one kills anyone in the name of god”

      ORLY? you should watch the news sometime, you’ll be surprised.

      • Anonymous

        Watch carefully, someone who CLAIMS to kill in God’s name often denied his own faith by his actions.

  • Pi

    No one kills anyone in the name of god, they use it as an excuse.
    the church wanted people to believe in them, so they could make money to build what today we know as the vatican, or to rule the friggin world, they didnt do it for god or satan or they daughters and sons, they did it for money and power, god’s an excuse.
    the wars that go on today for “religion” are for oil and dominance, again not god, that’s just an excuse that the terrorists use.
    and if god loves us so, why does he let this shit happen? well, there’s something that makes this shit happens… its called humanity..
    stop blaming god for shit and blame humanity, god didn’t kill 6 million jews in the holocaust, nazis did, and god didn’t torture people in the inquisition era, the fucking church did…
    don’t blame god for anything you can come up with, blame humans..

    • Ray

      Amen – It always amazes me that there are so very few who see the truth. Even Jesus said that not all who hear (read) the word of god will understand..

      • Goose09

        Pi you are FUCKING AWESOME! Stole the words from my mouth

  • Bob

    The tools of torture are cruel beyond belief, but also prove the innocence/ignorance of mankind. Most responses blame religious zealots. True or false, todays religious persons, especially all of the televangelists are so full of shit that these devices should be used on them to “go some place and get an honest job !!!

  • http://incredimail Bob

    The tools of torture are cruel beyond belief, but also prove the innocence/ignorance of mankind. Most responses blame religious zealots. True or false, todays religious persons, especially all of the televangelists are so full of shit that these devices should be used on them to “go some place and get an honest job !!!

  • dmonkyking

    I love when people see lists like this then start making irrational claims about how religion is the cause of wars and torture and blah blah blah. Quite a lot of these tortures were performed on Christians who refused to accept the power hungry churches sadistic views. Maybe some of you want to actually read the Bible before you make such ignorant claims about how Christians tortured and how God loves to torture people. These devices were designed by sadistic minds who used the religion of the day to control the masses by any means necessary. It was all about power and had very little to do with Christian beliefs. I can say I’m anything I want, but if my actions do not match my beliefs then I’m a fraud. Which were most of these people who murdered and tortured others for not believing what they believed. Not very Christian at all.

  • dmonkyking

    I love when people see lists like this then start making irrational claims about how religion is the cause of wars and torture and blah blah blah. Quite a lot of these tortures were performed on Christians who refused to accept the power hungry churches sadistic views. Maybe some of you want to actually read the Bible before you make such ignorant claims about how Christians tortured and how God loves to torture people. These devices were designed by sadistic minds who used the religion of the day to control the masses by any means necessary. It was all about power and had very little to do with Christian beliefs. I can say I’m anything I want, but if my actions do not match my beliefs then I’m a fraud. Which were most of these people who murdered and tortured others for not believing what they believed. Not very Christian at all.

  • Hain

    There is no god.

    People are stupid.

    The end.

    • Emily

      So your saying your stupid? How do you know there isnt a God? The end? So now its a story? I dont think people are stupid. You might be though. Have you even read the Bible, Hain? Before you comment, why dont you learn a little bit more of what your talking about.

      • BonifaceVII

        So your (you’re) saying your (you’re) stupid? How do you know there isnt (isn’t) a God? The end? (Fragment) So now its (it’s) a story? I dont (don’t) think people are stupid. You might be(comma) though. Have you even read the Bible (bible should be lowercase unless a specific version being mentioned.), Hain? Before you comment, why dont (don’t) you learn a little bit more of what your talking about. (Awkward grammar) D-, See me after class.

      • BonifaceVII

        So your (you’re) saying your (you’re) stupid? How do you know there isnt (isn’t) a God? The end? (Fragment) So now its (it’s) a story? I dont (don’t) think people are stupid. You might be(comma) though. Have you even read the Bible (bible should be lowercase unless a specific version being mentioned.), Hain? Before you comment, why dont (don’t) you learn a little bit more of what your talking about. (Awkward grammar) D-, See me after class.

      • Rex

        How do you know there IS one? Can you produce a god right here right now? What was your god smoking when 9/11 happened, or when Auschwitz happened?

    • Xavier

      You don’t know…few decades back, lung cancer caused by cigarettes was not known/possible and now countless were lost because of it. In the end you are not sure of anything until proven and that’s were faith comes in, you believe there is no god. Claiming that he does not exist without any hard backup is as ridiculous as you believe religion is! and no i’m not saying religion is ridiculous because we have faith in it and if you are one to claim against it without any facts, and have the sheer ignorance to call US stupid it just makes you as stupid and ridiculous as you so claim we, the people of faith, are.

      Gonna have to agree with you on the stupid part…thanks for the example btw!

      • Luke

        So, do you have any evidence that the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn’t exist? Claiming that the FSM isn’t the one true god without any evidence is absurd!

        BTW, before you try, you can’t prove a negative.

      • Tom!

        Umm… What evidence have you got that God existed, other than a 2000 year old book?
        Where were the dinosaurs mentioned in the bible?
        Why do so many religious peoples reject evolution, when, we have proof that natural selection DOES happen, seeing as, we can estimate genetics, and provide artifical selection. Also, there are many examples of evolution working, for example, people getting taller, etc etc. Although, if you want to believe in a book that was designed to fool uneducated people into following one empires rules, when, most people who are engaged in these discussions, have been to school and been educated, etc, are the one’s questioning religion, due to their educations, then, that’s fine with me.
        By the way, the only evidence that I had of God, was a friend of mine’s encounter with him.. But… He’d taken a lot of LSD, so, I don’t think that really counts. If God’s done a Michael Jackson to you, and touched you in your sleep, then, please share…

      • Tom!

        Umm… What evidence have you got that God existed, other than a 2000 year old book?
        Where were the dinosaurs mentioned in the bible?
        Why do so many religious peoples reject evolution, when, we have proof that natural selection DOES happen, seeing as, we can estimate genetics, and provide artifical selection. Also, there are many examples of evolution working, for example, people getting taller, etc etc. Although, if you want to believe in a book that was designed to fool uneducated people into following one empires rules, when, most people who are engaged in these discussions, have been to school and been educated, etc, are the one’s questioning religion, due to their educations, then, that’s fine with me.
        By the way, the only evidence that I had of God, was a friend of mine’s encounter with him.. But… He’d taken a lot of LSD, so, I don’t think that really counts. If God’s done a Michael Jackson to you, and touched you in your sleep, then, please share…

        • drexla

          “. Also, there are many examples of evolution working, for example, people getting taller, etc etc. ”
          I can’t stop laughing. Dear Lord! Proof? Show me the half man, half monkey! Show me the worm from your garden that decided to grow teeth! And while you’re at it, think of a new feature for yourself that gives you an edge over others, and let it show in you or your children! Then I’d be convinced that evolution is worth looking at.
          You really need God’s help, buddy. I am going to say a prayer for you …

          • Crax

            Yo drexla, you really don’t know a lot about Evolution do you? Your worm idea is not like it at all, because first of all Evolution takes millions of years and it isn’t a “decision”. Evolution starts with a mutation in the genes that can be passed on hereditarily, like you have an extra finger. Then hopefully it’s a dominant trait and your child will have it. But in the wild, it’s also combined with Natural Selection, the ones who survive to adulthood get to have kids. This is usually because it’s been born with some quality that allows it to get food.

            For example, the giraffe used to have a shorter neck, and it needed a source of food. The ones with the longer necks had an easier time getting food, so they survived. This happened again and again with the ones with the longer necks surviving, until we got to the ones today, which have the perfect length to get to trees and don’t need to evolve anymore.

            Also, we DO have half-human half-monkey skeletons, but it’s not like how you’re thinking, which is probably like a fucking centaur with human on top and monkey on the bottom.

            In conclusion, you’re a retard who believes in an omniscient man in the sky who acts like a dictator.

            Sincerely, Crax

            • drexla

              Hey Crax,
              We all sat under tutors who taught us what you are so dutifully reciting. Know this for sure : Science will always hit a brick wall in trying to find the origin of the universe. Faith takes people like me above that wall.

              It’s good you acknowledged that God is omniscient, and sure, He is a dictator. I beg to differ though, I am not retarded. There are realms unknown to Science buddy, and you better start asking yourself some serious questions…

              I like you though. You sound intelligent. It only beats my imagination how an accident could have created your intelligence, and worse still, how that intelligence can also concur with that wild assumption.

              In conclusion, you are a wonderfully made being refusing to accept the truth about your origin : You were created by God.

            • drexla

              Hey Crax,
              We all sat under tutors who taught us what you are so dutifully reciting. Know this for sure : Science will always hit a brick wall in trying to find the origin of the universe. Faith takes people like me above that wall.

              It’s good you acknowledged that God is omniscient, and sure, He is a dictator. I beg to differ though, I am not retarded. There are realms unknown to Science buddy, and you better start asking yourself some serious questions…

              I like you though. You sound intelligent. It only beats my imagination how an accident could have created your intelligence, and worse still, how that intelligence can also concur with that wild assumption.

              In conclusion, you are a wonderfully made being refusing to accept the truth about your origin : You were created by God.

              • Mighty Mouse

                I’ve got a few things that I would like you to watch, and read through. The first of which, is something humorous,which nails home how ridiculous the bible is:

                http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/1xFg9w/www.youtube.com/watch%253Fv%253DbGoYbjzy8-s

                Also, by your beliefs, it would’ve been fate for me to find this video, and God would’ve put it in my path, so I could encounter it, and use it as a way to mock you?

                Anyway, time for some cold hard facts, about some interesting things:

                The brain of the Amazon river dolphin (Pink Dolphin) is 40% larger than a human brain.

                So, seeing as these dolphins brains are bigger than a humans, then, surely, they have some kind of capabilities along the lines of intelligence. Why are these not mentioned in the bible? If their brains are superior to our own, why the hell, would they not get a chance to go to heaven? Why instead does this happen?:

                The pink dolphin has been listed as endangered by the International Union for Conservation of the Nature due to pollution, over fishing, excessive boat trafficking and habitat loss.

                Is that just? Is this fair? I think not.

                This next report:

                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog

                explains the way that dogs have been forced to evolve through breeding, in order to be better used to assist humanity, although this should actually be classed as genetic engineering, which has been cited as blasphemy, and as playing god… This has been happening for thousands of years, so, when god got in touch with with Noah, when Jesus apparently, walked the earth, when Muhammed was converted into a prophet, why was this not mentioned, and stopped?

                It is stated that, without dogs and their breeding (forced evolution), man may not have survived for so long, for example, with the crossing of the Bering Strait, which is mentioned on the above page, and, we have all heard stories about how they have assisted us, in many, many ways:
                Sniffer dogs, mountain rescue dogs, pulling their owners from burning buildings, defending people from attack, pulling sleds, etc, etc… So… As they have been so key in helping us for so long, would they not deserve a place in Heaven too?

                Would Mahatma Ghandi be burning in Hell now, because he was not a Christian?
                Would Malcolm X be burning in Hell, because he was so militant in his approaches to changing American Human Rights policies?
                Would the millions of Allied soldiers, who fought to restore (relative) peace, during the first and second world wars, be condemned to Hell for breaking the: Thou shalt not murder, commandment?

                On the flipside to that, do you think that a rapist or a paedophile, or any other type of criminal, would be allowed into Heaven if he “found God”?
                Will the children whom don’t even get to take their 3rd breath be banned to Hell, as they weren’t Christened, before they died?

                I look forward to your responses on the above.

                Although, in answer to those of you who ask why the majority of us English speakers are picking on Christianity, rather than Islam, that’s because the majority of Western countries, which I imagine that the majority of the forum readers in here come from, will have been brainwashed since youth, into believing in this, although, I can assure you that I have had many, many conversations with ill informed Muslims, who are also unable to offer satisfactory answers about why Darwins theories (which were based on many years of research) would be impossible.

                And, while I mention that, I must advise you that I found your statement above rather entertaining:

                Science will always hit a brick wall in trying to find the origin of the universe. Faith takes people like me above that wall.

                First and foremost, what fucking evidence do you have of anything in the bible? If you can work out how to produce any of the “miracles” which are mentioned in the bible; Parting of a sea, being the ideal choice, without with a stick and faith alone, then, I promise you that I will follow whatever old books’ ideals you throw at me say.

                Until then, here’s some reasons why I’ll trust a scientist, over a weirdo in a dress, or any ancient book, any day: http://www.newuniverse.co.uk/Scientists.html

                • drexla

                  Hi Mighty House,
                  I choose to concentrate on the latter aspects of your post. I have seen enough of those links you sent. I could also send you thousands of links, but let’s just try to reason out something right here.
                  You said this :
                  ” First and foremost, what fucking evidence do you have of anything in the bible? If you can work out how to produce any of the “miracles” which are mentioned in the bible; Parting of a sea, being the ideal choice, without with a stick and faith alone, then, I promise you that I will follow whatever old books’ ideals you throw at me say.”

                  Well, I am not obliged to produce evidence, cos I lay claim to faith. (Doesn’t mean I can’t, though). Now, you lay claim to Science, and flout the need for PROOF. Evolution is as much a belief as my belief in God. Why? Cos you have no proof of it, only assumptions. I repeat, only assumptions. Where are the intermediate animals? And I guess the animals somehow always evolved in pairs, so they could reproduce, right? How intelligent of them. Yeah, so you cover all this with the “Millions of years ago” phrase, and you think it’s so, so logical?

                  If you demand proof of my faith, which lays no emphasis on proof, then you ought to be ready to show me some SERIOUS PROOF for your belief or non – belief, claiming science as its basis.

                  You also said :
                  “Until then, here’s some reasons why I’ll trust a scientist, over a weirdo in a dress, or any ancient book, any day”

                  Do you mind doing a background check on some of the revered scientists and their belief in God/ the bible? …

                • drexla

                  Hi Mighty House,
                  I choose to concentrate on the latter aspects of your post. I have seen enough of those links you sent. I could also send you thousands of links, but let’s just try to reason out something right here.
                  You said this :
                  ” First and foremost, what fucking evidence do you have of anything in the bible? If you can work out how to produce any of the “miracles” which are mentioned in the bible; Parting of a sea, being the ideal choice, without with a stick and faith alone, then, I promise you that I will follow whatever old books’ ideals you throw at me say.”

                  Well, I am not obliged to produce evidence, cos I lay claim to faith. (Doesn’t mean I can’t, though). Now, you lay claim to Science, and flout the need for PROOF. Evolution is as much a belief as my belief in God. Why? Cos you have no proof of it, only assumptions. I repeat, only assumptions. Where are the intermediate animals? And I guess the animals somehow always evolved in pairs, so they could reproduce, right? How intelligent of them. Yeah, so you cover all this with the “Millions of years ago” phrase, and you think it’s so, so logical?

                  If you demand proof of my faith, which lays no emphasis on proof, then you ought to be ready to show me some SERIOUS PROOF for your belief or non – belief, claiming science as its basis.

                  You also said :
                  “Until then, here’s some reasons why I’ll trust a scientist, over a weirdo in a dress, or any ancient book, any day”

                  Do you mind doing a background check on some of the revered scientists and their belief in God/ the bible? …

                  • Crax

                    Hello again drexla,

                    To begin, you honestly believe that the so-called creator of human intelligence wanted you to take things on faith? That is the most retarded thing I have ever heard. Secondly, where is this proof that of the biblical events that YOU flout? You say that you won’t show it because of your “faith”. How about this: Humor me. Show me this proof you speak of. I’m sorry that my mind works in a way that requires me to think about and see proof of your God before I throw my life away to some nonexistent prick in the sky.

                    Continuing on your “they always evolved in pairs”, did you even READ my last post or take basic Biology? Let me explain for the dim-witted. GENES ARE THE INSTRUCTION PLANS FOR OUR BODIES AND THE CHARACTERISTICS THAT YOU SEE ON THEM. IF AN ANIMAL IS BORN WITH SOME MUTATION OR TRAIT THAT GIVES IT AN EDGE OVER THE OTHER ANIMALS, THEN NOT ONLY DOES IT HAVE TO SURVIVE LONG ENOUGH TO REPRODUCE, BUT IT ALSO HAS TO HAVE THAT TRAIT BE DOMINANT. THAT WAY, IT CAN REPRODUCE WITH IT’S OWN SPECIES, AND THAT TRAIT IS PASSED ON TO IT’S CHILDREN, WHO CAN DO THE SAME. DO YOU RECALL WHAT I SAID ABOUT YOUR MISGUIDED CONCEPTIONS OF A HALF-HUMAN, HALF-APE? AND HOW IT’S NOT LIKE A FUCKING CENTAUR? Now, that I put that explanation in a way simple enough for YOU to read, on to your next problem.

                    We HAVE proof. We have intermediary animals. Ever heard of birds perhaps? Or the Homo genus? Go on Wiki-fucking-pedia right now and search Homo. When you get back, you may know that we even have intermediary animals for OUR OWN species. They’re called fossils.

                    Now show your proof, and none of that “faith” bullshit either. The DEFINITION of faith is believing without proof.

                    Lastly, our scientists usually don’t believe in god because they are, unlike you, intelligent. In fact, in I.Q. tests and on a TV show, Atheists have time and time again been shown to have higher I.Q.s than believers. Would you like to know why? It’s because spirituality has been CONCLUSIVELY connected to brain-damage. “Oh,” you say, “But not ALL believers could have had brain damage, could they Crax?” “Well you’re right about that” I answer. That’s because the majority of Christians, Jews, and whatever other religion were raised to believe it from birth, just like Santa Claus, though he was ALSO revealed to be a fraud, wasn’t he?

                    Sincerely, Crax.

                    • drexla

                      hi Crax,
                      For some reason I like you, buddy. Now you said this :
                      “GENES ARE THE INSTRUCTION PLANS FOR OUR BODIES AND THE CHARACTERISTICS THAT YOU SEE ON THEM. ”

                      Excuse me, who made those plans? Just tell me their origin. If you’ve done a little bit of computing, you’d begin to appreciate the kind of programming that went into CREATING the genetic code. Science has only just scratched the surface.

                      I know a little maths as well, an I’m awed by the physical laws we have around, by their conformity to laid down rules.

                      Now hear me, It’s a simple issue. Atheism is a religion, as much as mine. It requires you to believe that there is no God, mine requires you to. Atheism is based on one premise, that all the wonder we see around, all the beauty, is as a result of an ACCIDENT. The source of which I dare you to TELL and PROVE.

                      You have ignored enough proof of God’s existence already. I doubt you will change your mind if you saw the parting of the sea. Because that’s a little miracle compared to what you see everyday.

                      Time will not permit me to launch into the intricate designs woven into your body, nor of the delicate forces that sustain your life.

                      My final word to you, Crax:
                      If you have a child, or a young one that you love, do me this favour:
                      Every morning call them to yourself, look them in the eye, and tell them the “TRUTH”. That they are nothing but ACCIDENTS, originated from some primodal soup or whatever which couldn’t take the heat on Earth some millions of years ago. Let them know that they originated from monkeys and gorillas. And while you’re at it, keep reminding yourself of it each day, for the rest of your life.

                      Been nice talking to you buddy. I still insist you are too intelligent to have been an Accident, and always will see you as another example of the handiworks of THE ULTIMATE BEING, GOD.

          • Crax

            Yo drexla, you really don’t know a lot about Evolution do you? Your worm idea is not like it at all, because first of all Evolution takes millions of years and it isn’t a “decision”. Evolution starts with a mutation in the genes that can be passed on hereditarily, like you have an extra finger. Then hopefully it’s a dominant trait and your child will have it. But in the wild, it’s also combined with Natural Selection, the ones who survive to adulthood get to have kids. This is usually because it’s been born with some quality that allows it to get food.

            For example, the giraffe used to have a shorter neck, and it needed a source of food. The ones with the longer necks had an easier time getting food, so they survived. This happened again and again with the ones with the longer necks surviving, until we got to the ones today, which have the perfect length to get to trees and don’t need to evolve anymore.

            Also, we DO have half-human half-monkey skeletons, but it’s not like how you’re thinking, which is probably like a fucking centaur with human on top and monkey on the bottom.

            In conclusion, you’re a retard who believes in an omniscient man in the sky who acts like a dictator.

            Sincerely, Crax

    • Xavier

      You don’t know…few decades back, lung cancer caused by cigarettes was not known/possible and now countless were lost because of it. In the end you are not sure of anything until proven and that’s were faith comes in, you believe there is no god. Claiming that he does not exist without any hard backup is as ridiculous as you believe religion is! and no i’m not saying religion is ridiculous because we have faith in it and if you are one to claim against it without any facts, and have the sheer ignorance to call US stupid it just makes you as stupid and ridiculous as you so claim we, the people of faith, are.

      Gonna have to agree with you on the stupid part…thanks for the example btw!

  • Hain

    There is no god.

    People are stupid.

    The end.

    • Emily

      So your saying your stupid? How do you know there isnt a God? The end? So now its a story? I dont think people are stupid. You might be though. Have you even read the Bible, Hain? Before you comment, why dont you learn a little bit more of what your talking about.

      • BonifaceVII

        So your (you’re) saying your (you’re) stupid? How do you know there isnt (isn’t) a God? The end? (Fragment) So now its (it’s) a story? I dont (don’t) think people are stupid. You might be(comma) though. Have you even read the Bible (bible should be lowercase unless a specific version being mentioned.), Hain? Before you comment, why dont (don’t) you learn a little bit more of what your talking about. (Awkward grammar) D-, See me after class.

      • Rex

        How do you know there IS one? Can you produce a god right here right now? What was your god smoking when 9/11 happened, or when Auschwitz happened?

    • Xavier

      You don’t know…few decades back, lung cancer caused by cigarettes was not known/possible and now countless were lost because of it. In the end you are not sure of anything until proven and that’s were faith comes in, you believe there is no god. Claiming that he does not exist without any hard backup is as ridiculous as you believe religion is! and no i’m not saying religion is ridiculous because we have faith in it and if you are one to claim against it without any facts, and have the sheer ignorance to call US stupid it just makes you as stupid and ridiculous as you so claim we, the people of faith, are.

      Gonna have to agree with you on the stupid part…thanks for the example btw!

      • Luke

        So, do you have any evidence that the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn’t exist? Claiming that the FSM isn’t the one true god without any evidence is absurd!

        BTW, before you try, you can’t prove a negative.

      • Tom!

        Umm… What evidence have you got that God existed, other than a 2000 year old book?
        Where were the dinosaurs mentioned in the bible?
        Why do so many religious peoples reject evolution, when, we have proof that natural selection DOES happen, seeing as, we can estimate genetics, and provide artifical selection. Also, there are many examples of evolution working, for example, people getting taller, etc etc. Although, if you want to believe in a book that was designed to fool uneducated people into following one empires rules, when, most people who are engaged in these discussions, have been to school and been educated, etc, are the one’s questioning religion, due to their educations, then, that’s fine with me.
        By the way, the only evidence that I had of God, was a friend of mine’s encounter with him.. But… He’d taken a lot of LSD, so, I don’t think that really counts. If God’s done a Michael Jackson to you, and touched you in your sleep, then, please share…

        • drexla

          “. Also, there are many examples of evolution working, for example, people getting taller, etc etc. ”
          I can’t stop laughing. Dear Lord! Proof? Show me the half man, half monkey! Show me the worm from your garden that decided to grow teeth! And while you’re at it, think of a new feature for yourself that gives you an edge over others, and let it show in you or your children! Then I’d be convinced that evolution is worth looking at.
          You really need God’s help, buddy. I am going to say a prayer for you …

          • Crax

            Yo drexla, you really don’t know a lot about Evolution do you? Your worm idea is not like it at all, because first of all Evolution takes millions of years and it isn’t a “decision”. Evolution starts with a mutation in the genes that can be passed on hereditarily, like you have an extra finger. Then hopefully it’s a dominant trait and your child will have it. But in the wild, it’s also combined with Natural Selection, the ones who survive to adulthood get to have kids. This is usually because it’s been born with some quality that allows it to get food.

            For example, the giraffe used to have a shorter neck, and it needed a source of food. The ones with the longer necks had an easier time getting food, so they survived. This happened again and again with the ones with the longer necks surviving, until we got to the ones today, which have the perfect length to get to trees and don’t need to evolve anymore.

            Also, we DO have half-human half-monkey skeletons, but it’s not like how you’re thinking, which is probably like a fucking centaur with human on top and monkey on the bottom.

            In conclusion, you’re a retard who believes in an omniscient man in the sky who acts like a dictator.

            Sincerely, Crax

            • drexla

              Hey Crax,
              We all sat under tutors who taught us what you are so dutifully reciting. Know this for sure : Science will always hit a brick wall in trying to find the origin of the universe. Faith takes people like me above that wall.

              It’s good you acknowledged that God is omniscient, and sure, He is a dictator. I beg to differ though, I am not retarded. There are realms unknown to Science buddy, and you better start asking yourself some serious questions…

              I like you though. You sound intelligent. It only beats my imagination how an accident could have created your intelligence, and worse still, how that intelligence can also concur with that wild assumption.

              In conclusion, you are a wonderfully made being refusing to accept the truth about your origin : You were created by God.

              • http://MoFo@HoDown.com Mighty Mouse

                I’ve got a few things that I would like you to watch, and read through. The first of which, is something humorous,which nails home how ridiculous the bible is:

                http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/1xFg9w/www.youtube.com/watch%253Fv%253DbGoYbjzy8-s

                Also, by your beliefs, it would’ve been fate for me to find this video, and God would’ve put it in my path, so I could encounter it, and use it as a way to mock you?

                Anyway, time for some cold hard facts, about some interesting things:

                The brain of the Amazon river dolphin (Pink Dolphin) is 40% larger than a human brain.

                So, seeing as these dolphins brains are bigger than a humans, then, surely, they have some kind of capabilities along the lines of intelligence. Why are these not mentioned in the bible? If their brains are superior to our own, why the hell, would they not get a chance to go to heaven? Why instead does this happen?:

                The pink dolphin has been listed as endangered by the International Union for Conservation of the Nature due to pollution, over fishing, excessive boat trafficking and habitat loss.

                Is that just? Is this fair? I think not.

                This next report:

                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog

                explains the way that dogs have been forced to evolve through breeding, in order to be better used to assist humanity, although this should actually be classed as genetic engineering, which has been cited as blasphemy, and as playing god… This has been happening for thousands of years, so, when god got in touch with with Noah, when Jesus apparently, walked the earth, when Muhammed was converted into a prophet, why was this not mentioned, and stopped?

                It is stated that, without dogs and their breeding (forced evolution), man may not have survived for so long, for example, with the crossing of the Bering Strait, which is mentioned on the above page, and, we have all heard stories about how they have assisted us, in many, many ways:
                Sniffer dogs, mountain rescue dogs, pulling their owners from burning buildings, defending people from attack, pulling sleds, etc, etc… So… As they have been so key in helping us for so long, would they not deserve a place in Heaven too?

                Would Mahatma Ghandi be burning in Hell now, because he was not a Christian?
                Would Malcolm X be burning in Hell, because he was so militant in his approaches to changing American Human Rights policies?
                Would the millions of Allied soldiers, who fought to restore (relative) peace, during the first and second world wars, be condemned to Hell for breaking the: Thou shalt not murder, commandment?

                On the flipside to that, do you think that a rapist or a paedophile, or any other type of criminal, would be allowed into Heaven if he “found God”?
                Will the children whom don’t even get to take their 3rd breath be banned to Hell, as they weren’t Christened, before they died?

                I look forward to your responses on the above.

                Although, in answer to those of you who ask why the majority of us English speakers are picking on Christianity, rather than Islam, that’s because the majority of Western countries, which I imagine that the majority of the forum readers in here come from, will have been brainwashed since youth, into believing in this, although, I can assure you that I have had many, many conversations with ill informed Muslims, who are also unable to offer satisfactory answers about why Darwins theories (which were based on many years of research) would be impossible.

                And, while I mention that, I must advise you that I found your statement above rather entertaining:

                Science will always hit a brick wall in trying to find the origin of the universe. Faith takes people like me above that wall.

                First and foremost, what fucking evidence do you have of anything in the bible? If you can work out how to produce any of the “miracles” which are mentioned in the bible; Parting of a sea, being the ideal choice, without with a stick and faith alone, then, I promise you that I will follow whatever old books’ ideals you throw at me say.

                Until then, here’s some reasons why I’ll trust a scientist, over a weirdo in a dress, or any ancient book, any day: http://www.newuniverse.co.uk/Scientists.html

                • drexla

                  Hi Mighty House,
                  I choose to concentrate on the latter aspects of your post. I have seen enough of those links you sent. I could also send you thousands of links, but let’s just try to reason out something right here.
                  You said this :
                  ” First and foremost, what fucking evidence do you have of anything in the bible? If you can work out how to produce any of the “miracles” which are mentioned in the bible; Parting of a sea, being the ideal choice, without with a stick and faith alone, then, I promise you that I will follow whatever old books’ ideals you throw at me say.”

                  Well, I am not obliged to produce evidence, cos I lay claim to faith. (Doesn’t mean I can’t, though). Now, you lay claim to Science, and flout the need for PROOF. Evolution is as much a belief as my belief in God. Why? Cos you have no proof of it, only assumptions. I repeat, only assumptions. Where are the intermediate animals? And I guess the animals somehow always evolved in pairs, so they could reproduce, right? How intelligent of them. Yeah, so you cover all this with the “Millions of years ago” phrase, and you think it’s so, so logical?

                  If you demand proof of my faith, which lays no emphasis on proof, then you ought to be ready to show me some SERIOUS PROOF for your belief or non – belief, claiming science as its basis.

                  You also said :
                  “Until then, here’s some reasons why I’ll trust a scientist, over a weirdo in a dress, or any ancient book, any day”

                  Do you mind doing a background check on some of the revered scientists and their belief in God/ the bible? …

                  • Crax

                    Hello again drexla,

                    To begin, you honestly believe that the so-called creator of human intelligence wanted you to take things on faith? That is the most retarded thing I have ever heard. Secondly, where is this proof that of the biblical events that YOU flout? You say that you won’t show it because of your “faith”. How about this: Humor me. Show me this proof you speak of. I’m sorry that my mind works in a way that requires me to think about and see proof of your God before I throw my life away to some nonexistent prick in the sky.

                    Continuing on your “they always evolved in pairs”, did you even READ my last post or take basic Biology? Let me explain for the dim-witted. GENES ARE THE INSTRUCTION PLANS FOR OUR BODIES AND THE CHARACTERISTICS THAT YOU SEE ON THEM. IF AN ANIMAL IS BORN WITH SOME MUTATION OR TRAIT THAT GIVES IT AN EDGE OVER THE OTHER ANIMALS, THEN NOT ONLY DOES IT HAVE TO SURVIVE LONG ENOUGH TO REPRODUCE, BUT IT ALSO HAS TO HAVE THAT TRAIT BE DOMINANT. THAT WAY, IT CAN REPRODUCE WITH IT’S OWN SPECIES, AND THAT TRAIT IS PASSED ON TO IT’S CHILDREN, WHO CAN DO THE SAME. DO YOU RECALL WHAT I SAID ABOUT YOUR MISGUIDED CONCEPTIONS OF A HALF-HUMAN, HALF-APE? AND HOW IT’S NOT LIKE A FUCKING CENTAUR? Now, that I put that explanation in a way simple enough for YOU to read, on to your next problem.

                    We HAVE proof. We have intermediary animals. Ever heard of birds perhaps? Or the Homo genus? Go on Wiki-fucking-pedia right now and search Homo. When you get back, you may know that we even have intermediary animals for OUR OWN species. They’re called fossils.

                    Now show your proof, and none of that “faith” bullshit either. The DEFINITION of faith is believing without proof.

                    Lastly, our scientists usually don’t believe in god because they are, unlike you, intelligent. In fact, in I.Q. tests and on a TV show, Atheists have time and time again been shown to have higher I.Q.s than believers. Would you like to know why? It’s because spirituality has been CONCLUSIVELY connected to brain-damage. “Oh,” you say, “But not ALL believers could have had brain damage, could they Crax?” “Well you’re right about that” I answer. That’s because the majority of Christians, Jews, and whatever other religion were raised to believe it from birth, just like Santa Claus, though he was ALSO revealed to be a fraud, wasn’t he?

                    Sincerely, Crax.

                    • drexla

                      hi Crax,
                      For some reason I like you, buddy. Now you said this :
                      “GENES ARE THE INSTRUCTION PLANS FOR OUR BODIES AND THE CHARACTERISTICS THAT YOU SEE ON THEM. ”

                      Excuse me, who made those plans? Just tell me their origin. If you’ve done a little bit of computing, you’d begin to appreciate the kind of programming that went into CREATING the genetic code. Science has only just scratched the surface.

                      I know a little maths as well, an I’m awed by the physical laws we have around, by their conformity to laid down rules.

                      Now hear me, It’s a simple issue. Atheism is a religion, as much as mine. It requires you to believe that there is no God, mine requires you to. Atheism is based on one premise, that all the wonder we see around, all the beauty, is as a result of an ACCIDENT. The source of which I dare you to TELL and PROVE.

                      You have ignored enough proof of God’s existence already. I doubt you will change your mind if you saw the parting of the sea. Because that’s a little miracle compared to what you see everyday.

                      Time will not permit me to launch into the intricate designs woven into your body, nor of the delicate forces that sustain your life.

                      My final word to you, Crax:
                      If you have a child, or a young one that you love, do me this favour:
                      Every morning call them to yourself, look them in the eye, and tell them the “TRUTH”. That they are nothing but ACCIDENTS, originated from some primodal soup or whatever which couldn’t take the heat on Earth some millions of years ago. Let them know that they originated from monkeys and gorillas. And while you’re at it, keep reminding yourself of it each day, for the rest of your life.

                      Been nice talking to you buddy. I still insist you are too intelligent to have been an Accident, and always will see you as another example of the handiworks of THE ULTIMATE BEING, GOD.

  • Rina

    I wasnt there when these devices were used, I dont know anybody who saw them being used so I choose to believe it never existed. I think people with nothing better to do made these things and try to convince us that there was a time worste than the one we live in.

    • Bosco

      HAHAHA-You’re a tool.

    • Rex

      You also weren’t there when the US Constitution was written, or when America was founded,nor have you met anyone alive from that time, so according to you the US must not exist either.

    • Rex

      You also weren’t there when the US Constitution was written, or when America was founded,nor have you met anyone alive from that time, so according to you the US must not exist either.

  • Rina

    I wasnt there when these devices were used, I dont know anybody who saw them being used so I choose to believe it never existed. I think people with nothing better to do made these things and try to convince us that there was a time worste than the one we live in.

    • Bosco

      HAHAHA-You’re a tool.

    • Rex

      You also weren’t there when the US Constitution was written, or when America was founded,nor have you met anyone alive from that time, so according to you the US must not exist either.

  • Veritas

    @Rina:

    Ignorance is strength/bliss, I suppose.

  • Veritas

    @Rina:

    Ignorance is strength/bliss, I suppose.

  • Johava

    Were they been used by Muslims or only midevel christian communities.

    • ALM

      The devices from the Inquisition were used by members of the ruling Catholic church on the Jews (mostly) and Muslims of Spain and Portugal in the mid 1400s-early 1500s. My dad’s side is Sephardic (Spanish) Jewish, and they fled Spain during the middle ages to (relative) safety in Turkey, where there were indigenous Mizrachi (Middle Eastern) Jews and a more friendly (at the time) Muslim community.

    • ALM

      The devices from the Inquisition were used by members of the ruling Catholic church on the Jews (mostly) and Muslims of Spain and Portugal in the mid 1400s-early 1500s. My dad’s side is Sephardic (Spanish) Jewish, and they fled Spain during the middle ages to (relative) safety in Turkey, where there were indigenous Mizrachi (Middle Eastern) Jews and a more friendly (at the time) Muslim community.

  • Johava

    Were they been used by Muslims or only midevel christian communities.

    • http://N/A ALM

      The devices from the Inquisition were used by members of the ruling Catholic church on the Jews (mostly) and Muslims of Spain and Portugal in the mid 1400s-early 1500s. My dad’s side is Sephardic (Spanish) Jewish, and they fled Spain during the middle ages to (relative) safety in Turkey, where there were indigenous Mizrachi (Middle Eastern) Jews and a more friendly (at the time) Muslim community.

  • GuerillaDankz

    lol a page about torture devices turned into a religios debate come on now aren’t we passed this yet boys and girls

  • GuerillaDankz

    lol a page about torture devices turned into a religios debate come on now aren’t we passed this yet boys and girls

  • Joe

    You know what would happen if all religion disappeared, erased from people’s minds, all notion of a god or any supernatural being governing our actions simply blinked out of reality? Friggin’ nothing. A few people who were religious zealots and felt they were terrible sinners might be a little happier. A lot of people who derived purpose from their beliefs would feel lost and hopeless. The people who did terrible things in the name of their gods would do terrible things in the name of their countries or their leaders or for power or riches. Crime would probably increase, because if you think about it without the benefit of religion, there’s not really any meaning to…anything; people would be greedier, because what’s to stop them? Natural selection would take its course. Humanity would die out at about the same time it will now and be forgotten forever. Unless there turns out to be a god, in which case who knows, maybe he’ll sit around missing us for a while. Terrible things have been done in the name of god. Other terrible things have, yes, been done for atheism (there have been shootings in churches because people wanted to kill the people spreading lies about “gods” among other things) and there have been terrible things done for greed or in anger. Greed causes the most. As somebody pointed out, Hitler was a superstitious atheist and killed a lot of people in the name of no god at all, so clearly you can’t pin it all on religions.
    And by the way, little known fact about the Spanish Inquisition. If you confessed to being a heretic, you weren’t generally killed or tortured. You were made to read from the bible aloud, do penance, give money to the church, things like that, unless you had done something really serious. The torture was for people who wouldn’t confess, which was a relatively small number. Am I saying the inquisition was a happy swell time when people were given ever more reason to love god? Nope. I’m just saying that people exaggerate it to make points. Atheists claim tens of thousands were killed horribly for no crimes, christians claim maybe a dozen people were killed for being incarnations of ultimate evil and also eating babies sometimes. Just like atheists say that all that’s wrong in the world is because of religion, and religious people say all that’s wrong in the world is because of the absence of religion. But if you really think about it, the things that are wrong with the world are wrong because lots of people are greedy idiots, some of whom believe in gods. That isn’t going to change, and as long as you’re shouting about how religion is the tar heroin of the masses, you’re not part of the solution. You’re just a fanatic.

    • ALM

      Actually, your comment about the Inquisition is rather misleading. Yes, if a Muslim or Jew “confessed” their crime of not being Catholic– which was often brought out via torture, btw–and were forced to perform Auto de Fe (the reading from the bible, penance, etc that you mentioned). If the confession or vow to convert was deemed insincere, the victim would face risk of exile, execution, or further torture.

      Even after the penance, known Jews (I am not sure about Muslims, I only know from my own family history) who had passed Auto de Fe were often interrogated (and tortured if they did not cooperate) to reveal the names of their Jewish family members or neighbors, or to give the names of known crypto Jews (those who continued to practice in secret). Thousands were executed, and over a quarter of a million were exiled http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Spain#Number_of_the_exiles (note: this is just Spain, a similar number exists for Portugal as well). So no, there is not much of an exaggeration.

      And to those of you who blame the torture on religion: religion is NOT the direct cause of these atrocities. Looking back in Medieval or even ancient times, people were savages. Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Pagan, irreligious… people killed each other, and quite brutally at that! As our societies develop and become more modern, these practices slowly diminish. It is not in any religion’s creed to kill or torture others. It is simply a misinterpretation of their religion’s/cultures laws coupled with the already brutal nature of the era. They used religion to substantiate/excuse their horrible actions, but in reality it was just how society worked back then- all over the world.

      Atheists claim tens of thousands were killed horribly for no crimes, christians claim maybe a dozen people were killed for being incarnations of ultimate evil and also eating babies sometimes. Just like atheists say that all that’s wrong in the world is because of religion, and religious people say all that’s wrong in the world is because of the absence of religion. But if you really think about it, the things that are wrong with the world are wrong because lots of people are greedy idiots, some of whom believe in gods. That isn’t going to change, and as long as you’re shouting about how religion is the tar heroin of the masses, you’re not part of the solution. You’re just a fanatic.

      • ALM

        ^^^ Sorry, Joe, for copying your last paragraph in my comment! I put it down there to see what you wrote, and forgot to take it off at the end.

    • Jeremy

      it’s like i read in a book, all humans seek a leader, or something to base their way of life on.. without one, chaos would reign in our world.. thats is how religions, rulers, goverments are created..

  • Joe

    You know what would happen if all religion disappeared, erased from people’s minds, all notion of a god or any supernatural being governing our actions simply blinked out of reality? Friggin’ nothing. A few people who were religious zealots and felt they were terrible sinners might be a little happier. A lot of people who derived purpose from their beliefs would feel lost and hopeless. The people who did terrible things in the name of their gods would do terrible things in the name of their countries or their leaders or for power or riches. Crime would probably increase, because if you think about it without the benefit of religion, there’s not really any meaning to…anything; people would be greedier, because what’s to stop them? Natural selection would take its course. Humanity would die out at about the same time it will now and be forgotten forever. Unless there turns out to be a god, in which case who knows, maybe he’ll sit around missing us for a while. Terrible things have been done in the name of god. Other terrible things have, yes, been done for atheism (there have been shootings in churches because people wanted to kill the people spreading lies about “gods” among other things) and there have been terrible things done for greed or in anger. Greed causes the most. As somebody pointed out, Hitler was a superstitious atheist and killed a lot of people in the name of no god at all, so clearly you can’t pin it all on religions.
    And by the way, little known fact about the Spanish Inquisition. If you confessed to being a heretic, you weren’t generally killed or tortured. You were made to read from the bible aloud, do penance, give money to the church, things like that, unless you had done something really serious. The torture was for people who wouldn’t confess, which was a relatively small number. Am I saying the inquisition was a happy swell time when people were given ever more reason to love god? Nope. I’m just saying that people exaggerate it to make points. Atheists claim tens of thousands were killed horribly for no crimes, christians claim maybe a dozen people were killed for being incarnations of ultimate evil and also eating babies sometimes. Just like atheists say that all that’s wrong in the world is because of religion, and religious people say all that’s wrong in the world is because of the absence of religion. But if you really think about it, the things that are wrong with the world are wrong because lots of people are greedy idiots, some of whom believe in gods. That isn’t going to change, and as long as you’re shouting about how religion is the tar heroin of the masses, you’re not part of the solution. You’re just a fanatic.

    • http://N/A ALM

      Actually, your comment about the Inquisition is rather misleading. Yes, if a Muslim or Jew “confessed” their crime of not being Catholic– which was often brought out via torture, btw–and were forced to perform Auto de Fe (the reading from the bible, penance, etc that you mentioned). If the confession or vow to convert was deemed insincere, the victim would face risk of exile, execution, or further torture.

      Even after the penance, known Jews (I am not sure about Muslims, I only know from my own family history) who had passed Auto de Fe were often interrogated (and tortured if they did not cooperate) to reveal the names of their Jewish family members or neighbors, or to give the names of known crypto Jews (those who continued to practice in secret). Thousands were executed, and over a quarter of a million were exiled http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Spain#Number_of_the_exiles (note: this is just Spain, a similar number exists for Portugal as well). So no, there is not much of an exaggeration.

      And to those of you who blame the torture on religion: religion is NOT the direct cause of these atrocities. Looking back in Medieval or even ancient times, people were savages. Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Pagan, irreligious… people killed each other, and quite brutally at that! As our societies develop and become more modern, these practices slowly diminish. It is not in any religion’s creed to kill or torture others. It is simply a misinterpretation of their religion’s/cultures laws coupled with the already brutal nature of the era. They used religion to substantiate/excuse their horrible actions, but in reality it was just how society worked back then- all over the world.

      Atheists claim tens of thousands were killed horribly for no crimes, christians claim maybe a dozen people were killed for being incarnations of ultimate evil and also eating babies sometimes. Just like atheists say that all that’s wrong in the world is because of religion, and religious people say all that’s wrong in the world is because of the absence of religion. But if you really think about it, the things that are wrong with the world are wrong because lots of people are greedy idiots, some of whom believe in gods. That isn’t going to change, and as long as you’re shouting about how religion is the tar heroin of the masses, you’re not part of the solution. You’re just a fanatic.

      • http://N/A ALM

        ^^^ Sorry, Joe, for copying your last paragraph in my comment! I put it down there to see what you wrote, and forgot to take it off at the end.

    • Jeremy

      it’s like i read in a book, all humans seek a leader, or something to base their way of life on.. without one, chaos would reign in our world.. thats is how religions, rulers, goverments are created..

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  • hahaha cool

    hmmm actually, the catholic church has admitted its’ mistakes they made during that period. but those horrendous acts were committed by people who wanted power and/or fanatics. they were using religion as an excuse.

    also, just something i kinda thought up of, aren’t atheists believing in “not believing”?

    • Crax

      No, that’s absurd. Are you believing in something for not believing in the Hindu gods? Are you believing in something for not believing in Zeus, Odin, Ra, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, the Invisible Pink Unicorn? All religions don’t believe in others, we just go one god further.

  • hahaha cool

    hmmm actually, the catholic church has admitted its’ mistakes they made during that period. but those horrendous acts were committed by people who wanted power and/or fanatics. they were using religion as an excuse.

    also, just something i kinda thought up of, aren’t atheists believing in “not believing”?

    • Crax

      No, that’s absurd. Are you believing in something for not believing in the Hindu gods? Are you believing in something for not believing in Zeus, Odin, Ra, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, the Invisible Pink Unicorn? All religions don’t believe in others, we just go one god further.

  • Mark

    You left out one of the Romans more creative torture methods.
    They had method where the prisoner is placed in a wooden box, with only their hands, feet and head poking through holes.
    The wooden box is place on a raft or small boat, and towed out to the middle of a small pond. Then the prisoners face is smeared with honey.
    The honey attracts insects which will crawl over the prisoner day and night.
    Each day the prisoner is force fed to keep them alive, but the box is never opened or emptied. Over time the box fills with urine, faeces, then maggots and flies.
    Some prisoners lasted for weeks.

  • Mark

    You left out one of the Romans more creative torture methods.
    They had method where the prisoner is placed in a wooden box, with only their hands, feet and head poking through holes.
    The wooden box is place on a raft or small boat, and towed out to the middle of a small pond. Then the prisoners face is smeared with honey.
    The honey attracts insects which will crawl over the prisoner day and night.
    Each day the prisoner is force fed to keep them alive, but the box is never opened or emptied. Over time the box fills with urine, faeces, then maggots and flies.
    Some prisoners lasted for weeks.

  • http://systm-hck.blogspot.com/ Politically incorrrect

    There are also the Chinese besides many old civilizations like the Aztecs, Mayas etc who had some pretty inhumane torture methods…Secular or religious…torture has been with us all along and today is still happening…We even watch it more and more in movies and I think it is as a medium to get us to accept it more…

  • http://systm-hck.blogspot.com/ Politically incorrrect

    There are also the Chinese besides many old civilizations like the Aztecs, Mayas etc who had some pretty inhumane torture methods…Secular or religious…torture has been with us all along and today is still happening…We even watch it more and more in movies and I think it is as a medium to get us to accept it more…

  • http://systm-hck.blogspot.com/ Politically incorrrect

    Here is a small link of what is currently happening in China…http://chinaview.wordpress.com/2007/03/29/list-of-china-modern-torture-methods-photo/

  • http://systm-hck.blogspot.com/ Politically incorrrect

    Here is a small link of what is currently happening in China…http://chinaview.wordpress.com/2007/03/29/list-of-china-modern-torture-methods-photo/

  • http://systm-hck.blogspot.com/ Politically incorrrect

    Here is a small link of what is currently happening in China…http://chinaview.wordpress.com/2007/03/29/list-of-china-modern-torture-methods-photo/

  • http://systm-hck.blogspot.com/ Politically incorrrect

    I think that as we head into a fascist state here in America and more into government control allow our value system to be dictated by personal assets and valuables our country will become more like China. I hope the future proves me wrong though.

  • http://systm-hck.blogspot.com/ Politically incorrrect

    I think that as we head into a fascist state here in America and more into government control allow our value system to be dictated by personal assets and valuables our country will become more like China. I hope the future proves me wrong though.

  • http://systm-hck.blogspot.com/ Politically incorrrect

    I think that as we head into a fascist state here in America and more into government control allow our value system to be dictated by personal assets and valuables our country will become more like China. I hope the future proves me wrong though.

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  • http://www.ultrafeel.tv/ fun-da-mental

    Only people who suffer themselves can inflict such terror on other people – but the others an ourselves are actually one, so they are torturing themselves.

  • http://www.ultrafeel.tv/ fun-da-mental

    Only people who suffer themselves can inflict such terror on other people – but the others an ourselves are actually one, so they are torturing themselves.

  • http://www.ultrafeel.tv fun-da-mental

    Only people who suffer themselves can inflict such terror on other people – but the others an ourselves are actually one, so they are torturing themselves.

  • No One

    i’d like to see one of those things in action. heck, maybe try one of the non-lethal ones for bondage. yum

  • No One

    i’d like to see one of those things in action. heck, maybe try one of the non-lethal ones for bondage. yum

  • http://shakageek.com/ mark

    Woa these torture are crazy, it must of been a whole lot of people that suffered badly from these torture machines.
    terrible to think that these stuff where used on human beings.!!

  • http://shakageek.com mark

    Woa these torture are crazy, it must of been a whole lot of people that suffered badly from these torture machines.
    terrible to think that these stuff where used on human beings.!!

  • voiceless

    I know about a torture that happens everyday. It is called abortion.

  • voiceless

    I know about a torture that happens everyday. It is called abortion.

  • maybe its me

    torture manmade/rape earthman/ death lifemade/birth earthmade/religion manmade/ ….GOD MANMADE!!!!! The book written by man,the stories made up or experienced by man, the concept..Hummmmmm….abeautifully constucted way of countrolling the masses,for those in power. All of that stuff is . What do we say to our children to control them. Do this or so-and-so will love you; Do that bad and you,ll be punished. So I guess you will always be the children of the world. Selfish, tantrum filled, sneeky, lying ,deceitful,theiving,destuctive ,disrespectful little children. Well ,have fun I,m going like so many other adults, to learn something useful.Like leaving others,and their belongings alone; out of respect. Basic isn’t it…just like our elders taught us.

  • http://weirdworm maybe its me

    torture manmade/rape earthman/ death lifemade/birth earthmade/religion manmade/ ….GOD MANMADE!!!!! The book written by man,the stories made up or experienced by man, the concept..Hummmmmm….abeautifully constucted way of countrolling the masses,for those in power. All of that stuff is . What do we say to our children to control them. Do this or so-and-so will love you; Do that bad and you,ll be punished. So I guess you will always be the children of the world. Selfish, tantrum filled, sneeky, lying ,deceitful,theiving,destuctive ,disrespectful little children. Well ,have fun I,m going like so many other adults, to learn something useful.Like leaving others,and their belongings alone; out of respect. Basic isn’t it…just like our elders taught us.

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  • Getting down to it

    “maybe it’s me” says something important – respect. Religion can play an important role here – treat others as you’d like to be treated. I’m not religious because of the hipocracy I see day to day but I think some of those tools used on this web page can be put to good use in a lot of cases with government, murderers, rapists and thieves. How do you feel when you see a young child whose life has been snuffed out, a parent or sib that was not granted mercy before being killed. Be it your own sib or parent you would not feel mercy. (in most cases). I live in a country (like most let’s be honest – I’m a South African)where theft is the order of the day. To kill someone to steal I’d go with a public hanging. Let the punishment suit the crime. I like the idea of chopping hands off, beheadings, castration, stocks, stone throwing and the rack. Publicly. You see, we haven’t really moved too far off the dark ages. Unfortunately humankind are in most part still no better than fucking savages.

  • Getting down to it

    “maybe it’s me” says something important – respect. Religion can play an important role here – treat others as you’d like to be treated. I’m not religious because of the hipocracy I see day to day but I think some of those tools used on this web page can be put to good use in a lot of cases with government, murderers, rapists and thieves. How do you feel when you see a young child whose life has been snuffed out, a parent or sib that was not granted mercy before being killed. Be it your own sib or parent you would not feel mercy. (in most cases). I live in a country (like most let’s be honest – I’m a South African)where theft is the order of the day. To kill someone to steal I’d go with a public hanging. Let the punishment suit the crime. I like the idea of chopping hands off, beheadings, castration, stocks, stone throwing and the rack. Publicly. You see, we haven’t really moved too far off the dark ages. Unfortunately humankind are in most part still no better than fucking savages.

  • alex

    if only Barney was around back then.

  • alex

    if only Barney was around back then.

  • Bob

    The inquisitions and mass murders during the dark ages were orchestrated by the Roman Catholic Church. They do not represent the true God of the Bible.

    • Crax

      Tell that to Jesus and the Crucifix, or the victims of the Salem Witch Trials, or the people who were invaded in any of the 8 Crusades or 3 Inquisitions. They were sanctioned by the Pope, who acts as “Gods” mouthpiece, they represent your nonexistent god. Case Closed.

    • Crax

      Tell that to Jesus and the Crucifix, or the victims of the Salem Witch Trials, or the people who were invaded in any of the 8 Crusades or 3 Inquisitions. They were sanctioned by the Pope, who acts as “Gods” mouthpiece, they represent your nonexistent god. Case Closed.

  • Bob

    The inquisitions and mass murders during the dark ages were orchestrated by the Roman Catholic Church. They do not represent the true God of the Bible.

    • Crax

      Tell that to Jesus and the Crucifix, or the victims of the Salem Witch Trials, or the people who were invaded in any of the 8 Crusades or 3 Inquisitions. They were sanctioned by the Pope, who acts as “Gods” mouthpiece, they represent your nonexistent god. Case Closed.

  • Mekhong Kurt

    The argument over who did it more is beside the point: they both did. Besides, torture way predates the Church and Christian-era governments.

  • Mekhong Kurt

    The argument over who did it more is beside the point: they both did. Besides, torture way predates the Church and Christian-era governments.

  • Mekhong Kurt

    Come to think of it, I want to expand on my brief posting I made a few minutes ago.

    The argument over whether religious groups — the Catholic Church in particular — or secular authorities used these sorts of devices is rather beside the underlying point: they both did. Nobody kept a scorecard. To do so would allow the “loser” to use the so-called “Nuremberg defense,” so dubbed when a German on trial for war atrocities, (a relatively low-ranking guy) stammered he had “no idea it would be so many,” to which the prosecutor thundered, “One was too many! (or words to that effect).

    Besides, torture, including using devices to do so, WAY predates the Church and Christian-era secular governments (where those existed separate from religion, which I’m not too sure there were very many — if any — of). Think of the “death of a thousand cuts,” a method perfected by the ancient Chinese. It is said that a skilled torturer could stretch out a person’s terrible death over a period of 1,000 days. Check out the Babylonians, Assyrians, Persians, Egyptians, etc. They all had nifty ways of torturing folks, too. Ever hear of the (possibly mythical) “Iron Maiden?” Then there were those fun games in Rome in which the condemned were armed then put into the arena with wild animals. The prisoner could defend himself only so long, and Caesar sure as heck had plenty of animals to loose if need be, unless he decided “Good show!” and spared the poor bast*rd at the last second. (I know, that’s not people directly torturing other people, but it sort of qualifies, doesn’t it?)

    Modern examples abound. In parts of the world, the authorities, be they religious or secular, will do stuff like have a person stretched out on the ground, then let the crowd start piling rocks on him (or her) — but ordering a halt before the person died. But the person didn’t know ahead of time he would be “only” tortured, not executed, adding, psychologically, to the terror of the torture.

    then there’s Iran, for instance, which when a person is hanged, he isn’t dropped; he’s hoisted, the reasoning being the victim or family of the victim (if the victim died) can forgive the condemned right up until he’s choking his last breath. A few years ago some poor devil dangled for upwards of four minutes, according to media reports, before the surviving family of the victim — I forget the crime — gave in and forgave the guy, at which point he was lowered and revived. Wouldn’t want to have HIS dreams!

    Yes, people are capable of extraordinary cruelty; it’s one of the things that distinguishes us from the rest of the animal world.

  • Mekhong Kurt

    Come to think of it, I want to expand on my brief posting I made a few minutes ago.

    The argument over whether religious groups — the Catholic Church in particular — or secular authorities used these sorts of devices is rather beside the underlying point: they both did. Nobody kept a scorecard. To do so would allow the “loser” to use the so-called “Nuremberg defense,” so dubbed when a German on trial for war atrocities, (a relatively low-ranking guy) stammered he had “no idea it would be so many,” to which the prosecutor thundered, “One was too many! (or words to that effect).

    Besides, torture, including using devices to do so, WAY predates the Church and Christian-era secular governments (where those existed separate from religion, which I’m not too sure there were very many — if any — of). Think of the “death of a thousand cuts,” a method perfected by the ancient Chinese. It is said that a skilled torturer could stretch out a person’s terrible death over a period of 1,000 days. Check out the Babylonians, Assyrians, Persians, Egyptians, etc. They all had nifty ways of torturing folks, too. Ever hear of the (possibly mythical) “Iron Maiden?” Then there were those fun games in Rome in which the condemned were armed then put into the arena with wild animals. The prisoner could defend himself only so long, and Caesar sure as heck had plenty of animals to loose if need be, unless he decided “Good show!” and spared the poor bast*rd at the last second. (I know, that’s not people directly torturing other people, but it sort of qualifies, doesn’t it?)

    Modern examples abound. In parts of the world, the authorities, be they religious or secular, will do stuff like have a person stretched out on the ground, then let the crowd start piling rocks on him (or her) — but ordering a halt before the person died. But the person didn’t know ahead of time he would be “only” tortured, not executed, adding, psychologically, to the terror of the torture.

    then there’s Iran, for instance, which when a person is hanged, he isn’t dropped; he’s hoisted, the reasoning being the victim or family of the victim (if the victim died) can forgive the condemned right up until he’s choking his last breath. A few years ago some poor devil dangled for upwards of four minutes, according to media reports, before the surviving family of the victim — I forget the crime — gave in and forgave the guy, at which point he was lowered and revived. Wouldn’t want to have HIS dreams!

    Yes, people are capable of extraordinary cruelty; it’s one of the things that distinguishes us from the rest of the animal world.

  • JJ Johnson

    Check your history. More people have been killed in the name of communism than any other “religion”. And the sad thing is it is still happening today. The victims are generally the powerless people of the society and the Christians.

  • JJ Johnson

    Check your history. More people have been killed in the name of communism than any other “religion”. And the sad thing is it is still happening today. The victims are generally the powerless people of the society and the Christians.

  • JJ Johnson

    Check your history. More people have been killed in the name of communism than any other “religion”. And the sad thing is it is still happening today. The victims are generally the powerless people of the society and the Christians.

  • Nemesis

    I can’t believe anyone is even trying to minimise religion’s history by saying “someone else did it too.” Just own up to the facts. This was brutal, and inhumane, and nobody can do this and still call themselves a good person. Christians have been persecuted AND been the persecutors. Accept it. Everyone’s fallen short. And to try and argue for this vile cruelty, is to leave the door open for it to happen again. Don’t think it’s impossible: all majorities are potentially dangerous.

    • sock puppet

      It’s only the idiotic atheists of today who refuse to see a difference between religion in current times as opposed to that in the middle ages. There isn’t a single Christian or Jewish authority who wouldn’t condemn any death in the name of God. That’s because most of today’s religions have gone through a reformation. I’ll give you one guess as to which major religion has NOT gone through a reformation. Of course, I doubt you would go public and say that with your contact information attached. That’s because one of them would saw your head off.

    • sock puppet

      It’s only the idiotic atheists of today who refuse to see a difference between religion in current times as opposed to that in the middle ages. There isn’t a single Christian or Jewish authority who wouldn’t condemn any death in the name of God. That’s because most of today’s religions have gone through a reformation. I’ll give you one guess as to which major religion has NOT gone through a reformation. Of course, I doubt you would go public and say that with your contact information attached. That’s because one of them would saw your head off.

  • Nemesis

    I can’t believe anyone is even trying to minimise religion’s history by saying “someone else did it too.” Just own up to the facts. This was brutal, and inhumane, and nobody can do this and still call themselves a good person. Christians have been persecuted AND been the persecutors. Accept it. Everyone’s fallen short. And to try and argue for this vile cruelty, is to leave the door open for it to happen again. Don’t think it’s impossible: all majorities are potentially dangerous.

  • Nemesis

    I can’t believe anyone is even trying to minimise religion’s history by saying “someone else did it too.” Just own up to the facts. This was brutal, and inhumane, and nobody can do this and still call themselves a good person. Christians have been persecuted AND been the persecutors. Accept it. Everyone’s fallen short. And to try and argue for this vile cruelty, is to leave the door open for it to happen again. Don’t think it’s impossible: all majorities are potentially dangerous.

    • sock puppet

      It’s only the idiotic atheists of today who refuse to see a difference between religion in current times as opposed to that in the middle ages. There isn’t a single Christian or Jewish authority who wouldn’t condemn any death in the name of God. That’s because most of today’s religions have gone through a reformation. I’ll give you one guess as to which major religion has NOT gone through a reformation. Of course, I doubt you would go public and say that with your contact information attached. That’s because one of them would saw your head off.

  • My £2

    Isn’t the fact that the religions have had to reform, a sign that they’re all bullshit?
    God’s word, should not be altered, as, he is supposed to be all knowing and powerful, and would’ve known that these days would come, that mankind would progress like it has, so, it would’ve been wrote, suitable, for all times, and, although I know that you lot are probably thinking: The times when it was wrote, were completely different, so, the bible would’ve had to have been too, but, if any God is supposed to be all knowing and all powerful, then, surely he’d have known which words to use, which would be relevant, to any age of humanity?
    The reason that Jesus would’ve gone on about hell so much, is because, like the majority of religions, they rule through fear, which they evoke in the hearts of the simple, who are to fearful to stand up, and take responsibility for the CHOICES of their brothers and sisters.
    Yes, in recent times, A bombs were invented, nuclear catastrophe has happened, and could happen, at any time, as you only need one madman to spark it all off, but, aren’t the people who want to conquer the world, simply attempting to emulate their Lord?
    If some bearded fucker in the sky, who never gets involved to help humanity, and just says: Do it yourselves, after, apparently, forcing his son into suicide, then, why the fuck can’t people, who are actively on earth, making changes, whether good or bad, rule for themselves?
    I must admit, that sometimes when I feel so strongly about matters like this, that I am struck by a fear of: What if? But, I prefer to think that, if there was an all powerful, all knowing being, who can accept us into a palace of white and gold, that he would understand why I find it so difficult to believe, and, why I could never condone living my life by the teachings of a 2,000 year old book. Why I prefer to question, and live my life free of restrictions, for me to discover my own way, for me to share my experiences with my brethren, of all different colours, and shapes, and onto my offspring, one day, far away, and mainly, why I believe that humanity should unite, for the common good, because we want to help each other, not force people to follow any one belief, not to be sheep, but, for every single person to chase their potential, to chase the dream, to do whatever they want, as long as it adds some form of value to their lives, or brings a happiness or joy, to whomever they indulge in their wants with, not matter what they are.

    • Iamfwomewome

      since I’m assuming you’re a Britisher, please recall your countryman’s simplified adage summing up the religions and human experience -

      But that thou hurt no other, do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

      just reiterate the golden rule to fill the heart with loving compassion, y’all!

  • http://MoFo@HoDown.com My £2

    Isn’t the fact that the religions have had to reform, a sign that they’re all bullshit?
    God’s word, should not be altered, as, he is supposed to be all knowing and powerful, and would’ve known that these days would come, that mankind would progress like it has, so, it would’ve been wrote, suitable, for all times, and, although I know that you lot are probably thinking: The times when it was wrote, were completely different, so, the bible would’ve had to have been too, but, if any God is supposed to be all knowing and all powerful, then, surely he’d have known which words to use, which would be relevant, to any age of humanity?
    The reason that Jesus would’ve gone on about hell so much, is because, like the majority of religions, they rule through fear, which they evoke in the hearts of the simple, who are to fearful to stand up, and take responsibility for the CHOICES of their brothers and sisters.
    Yes, in recent times, A bombs were invented, nuclear catastrophe has happened, and could happen, at any time, as you only need one madman to spark it all off, but, aren’t the people who want to conquer the world, simply attempting to emulate their Lord?
    If some bearded fucker in the sky, who never gets involved to help humanity, and just says: Do it yourselves, after, apparently, forcing his son into suicide, then, why the fuck can’t people, who are actively on earth, making changes, whether good or bad, rule for themselves?
    I must admit, that sometimes when I feel so strongly about matters like this, that I am struck by a fear of: What if? But, I prefer to think that, if there was an all powerful, all knowing being, who can accept us into a palace of white and gold, that he would understand why I find it so difficult to believe, and, why I could never condone living my life by the teachings of a 2,000 year old book. Why I prefer to question, and live my life free of restrictions, for me to discover my own way, for me to share my experiences with my brethren, of all different colours, and shapes, and onto my offspring, one day, far away, and mainly, why I believe that humanity should unite, for the common good, because we want to help each other, not force people to follow any one belief, not to be sheep, but, for every single person to chase their potential, to chase the dream, to do whatever they want, as long as it adds some form of value to their lives, or brings a happiness or joy, to whomever they indulge in their wants with, not matter what they are.

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  • Mekhong Kurt

    If some comments following mine that torture hasn’t been the sole province of any single group are any indication, I clearly failed to make my point.

    I in no way am attempting to defend any bastards who torture by using some ridiculous “everybody does it” argument, though upon re-reading my own comment, I see how it can rather easily be taken that way, which was my failure for not re-reading those comments through the eyes of another reader, for which I apologize. In fact, I meant just the opposite, i.e., this: “By the way, while we’re condemning the Catholics for torture, let’s remember to include the other despicables and condemn them, too.”

    I hope this is clearer, and again, apologies for my own signal failure in not considering how others might very reasonably interpret my remarks.

  • Mekhong Kurt

    If some comments following mine that torture hasn’t been the sole province of any single group are any indication, I clearly failed to make my point.

    I in no way am attempting to defend any bastards who torture by using some ridiculous “everybody does it” argument, though upon re-reading my own comment, I see how it can rather easily be taken that way, which was my failure for not re-reading those comments through the eyes of another reader, for which I apologize. In fact, I meant just the opposite, i.e., this: “By the way, while we’re condemning the Catholics for torture, let’s remember to include the other despicables and condemn them, too.”

    I hope this is clearer, and again, apologies for my own signal failure in not considering how others might very reasonably interpret my remarks.

  • WTFprashan

    I dont understand one thing about Christianity if anyone commits a crime n goes to confess it in the Church he will go to Heaven else Hell.

    Its like “Kill a person – confess it in church – God will forgive – Go to Heaven – Enjoy”

    Another thing – If so called God wanted to make people happy, why force them to believe in religion, god……… its people choice, their own will wether to believe ir not…….. if u believe you live, go to heaven else hell

    This is f*****g crazy

  • WTFprashan

    I dont understand one thing about Christianity if anyone commits a crime n goes to confess it in the Church he will go to Heaven else Hell.

    Its like “Kill a person – confess it in church – God will forgive – Go to Heaven – Enjoy”

    Another thing – If so called God wanted to make people happy, why force them to believe in religion, god……… its people choice, their own will wether to believe ir not…….. if u believe you live, go to heaven else hell

    This is f*****g crazy

  • Suze

    Religious types can think of such lovely things to do to people in God's name, can't they?

    He must be very proud.

    • David

      What are you talking about? Secular authorities invented most of the torture devices you hear about and were more apt to use them over the Church. The Church tortured yes but if you had a choice back during the inquistion you would much rather be in the hands of the Church than with secular authorities. History is literally a matter of perspective. I suppose people believe that millions were tortured by the Church during the Inquistion. Again, false. The Inquistion although bad, the Church can’t get out from under that shadow was pale in comparison to the surrounding secular authorities

      • amanda

        What “secular authorities” are you talking about, exactly? That seems like a cop out to me. The only reason you’d be better off in the hands of the church during the Inquisition was because they would brutally torture you as a heretic if you went against the required beliefs. I’m not saying that some “secular authorities” weren’t also doing awful things to people, but if we’re comparing to the Inquisition here, at least they weren’t doing it “in the name of God”. If you think about it, “evil secularists” are at least better than the Church, because they do not partake in the hypocrisy of torturing people in the name of some perfect, holy religion, as a consequence of merely not believing the same things.

        • SystmHck

          People will kill and torture. There are good people and bad people. It’s just that simple. Keep your lame excuses of people using religion or not to torture. Whoever has the most power will do whatever they want with it, good or bad…check out the governments and the people these days that promote it… Is killing and torturing OK just because it is more accepted in our “modern” society since we are so used to seeing it in the media and is embraced by creating new amendments to national and international laws?

        • SystmHck

          People will kill and torture. There are good people and bad people. It’s just that simple. Keep your lame excuses of people using religion or not to torture. Whoever has the most power will do whatever they want with it, good or bad…check out the governments and the people these days that promote it… Is killing and torturing OK just because it is more accepted in our “modern” society since we are so used to seeing it in the media and is embraced by creating new amendments to national and international laws?

      • lolwut

        There were no ‘secular authorities.’ Church and State were completely intertwined.

        • Anonymous

          Not true, that depends highly upon where you were. Some parts of Western Europe in the Middle Ages, perhaps. Universally true – no way.

      • Hey, dumbass

        It was the middle ages. There was no ‘secular authority’. Those people who were ‘secular’ were the ones who had these lovely little devices used on them.

        • Anonymous

          WRONG – it was common to be able to buy titles of nobility in some European societies. They became the secularists who in turn appointed the administration of their Manors and Kingdoms.

    • Cryhavoc66

      Holy shit !!!! These people are ucked up !!!! and I agree religion is the main cause of these things and war , RELIGION !!!!! IS FUCKED UP !!!!! they praise a god then do these things !!!!! sorry to say all those ignorant little religions fucks , wake the fuck up

    • http://revolutionnumber9.tumblr.com/ Danielle

      Oh Suze, people think of lovely types of things to do to get what they want, and it’s not just in God’s name. I knew someone would quickly make a religious comment, and look at that! It was you!

      Check your history books, more people have been killed through other means rather than in the name of Christianity.

    • Loves You Crazy Fools!

      Religious types can think of lovely things to do in God’s name, when, God is only a metaphor, and a disguise for a powerful man. Christianity was bred by the Roman Empire, and spread to every corner of it, as it’s impending doom, came to collapse, which, explains why the people that would have killed Jesus, and hated him so much, were the one’s to suddenly have an epiphany, after all of their guards took a conveniently timed lunch break, from his tomb, and, he “Rose from the dead.” I doubt that many of Jesus’ followers would’ve been able to read or write in Latin, seeing as, Jesus was meant to be Jewish, thus, would’ve probably spoke Hebrew, so, isn’t it convenient that that collapsing empire, decided to print a load of bibles in Latin, appoint a member of their public to be the voice of God, and, to rule from down the road from where the Roman emperor did?
      Also, Jesus, and the “Saints” magic, would be classed as witchcraft too, doesn’t anyone think?
      The short and simple fact of the matter is, there’s loads of crazy and deluded people in the world, and, there’s plenty of people ready to do whatever they can for power.
      Religious wars and persecution? Just ancient gang warfare:
      What are you doing wearing blue in Blood territory, Crip?
      What are you doing believing in Allah in Christian territory, Heretic?
      Switch some of the words around, and, you’ll see every generations had someting similar: Mods vs Rockers, Black vs White, England vs France, America vs Everyone in sight…
      Same shit, different decade.

      • Kyle Reese

        You all need to learn history and stop watching the world according to Richard Dawkins. Wars in history have occurred for things like land, gold, race, territory boundaries, national heritage, weaponry disputes, natural resources, secularist ideas, and even damn WOMEN! It’s just the self righteous and hypocritical militant atheist douchebags who like to blame everything on religion religion religion all the time.

        While at the same time the same extreme secularists forgets that it was them who invented things like Communism, Abortion, and the damned Atomic Bomb! All of those things killed well over 120 million people of all faiths. And if you want to include all the aborted children across the globe, then that number would be around 1 Billion! Not the mention that for the past 50 years the world has been held hostage because of the atomic weapons atheists have invented. Way to go you so called “enlightened” and “intelligent” freaks, you have surpassed the kill statistics of all the mean and evil religions you hate so much!

        When religion had it his way, we were fighting with swords against a Saracen soldier. When militant atheism had it their way, we were on the verge of nuclear winter. You know what? Tell Dawkins that I prefer the landscape populated with a bunch of bearded Amish people rather than the fundamentalist Atheist alternative of a bunch of Emo kids who shoot up their school in Colorado with Tech 9 submachine guns.

        • mIKE

          true, atheists have had their fair share of murder too. However many of those working on the Manhattan Project were of their own religions too, in fact not many of them were atheist. So, apparently, religious people do not appear to be unwilling to design and build the Nuke to slaughter. Hitler! Hitler was catholic and used his words of God as an excuse to kill eleven million. So apparently the amount of destruction caused by religion is also astronomical. Yes there were many people who did not have a religion that killed, but that was recently. Until then, if you did not believe in God, you would probably be killed. This is not a black and white discussion, there are many people of all faiths, including atheism who have killed. Religion does not stop, or even hinder people’s capacity to kill, there is, somewhere, in every person the morbid desire to cause pain to another. Religion cannot stop this, the only reason that we were fighting with swords was because we did not have anything better at the time. The only hindrance to cause pain is not religion, it is technology. If, during the crusades, we had nuclear bombs, we would have used them just as readily as we had used the sword.

          • Lunger

            Hitler was not Catholic. Raised in a Catholic family, yes, but let’s not delude ourselves and suggest he was a confirmed Catholic. If anything he was athiest or agnostic simply by his complete lack of any religious faith he displayed through his adult life. His political speeches are the only thing from Hitler that mention God…and that is it politics. Its like Obama promising change in his speeches – simply to get elected.

            • Mekhong Kurt

              No, Lunger, it’s most decidely *not* “like Obama promising change in his speeches – simply to get elected.” We don’t see Obama rounding up, oh, say — the white crackers in the South and shipping them off to some American equivalent of Auschwitz, do we? Or Latinos? Nor Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus,nor gypsies, the homeless, Republicans, foreigners of various stripes, Communists, etc.?

              Yes, Lunger, Hitler gave speeches for political purposes. Yes, Obama gives speeches for political purposes. But to compare Obama to that monster Hitler isn’t merely essentially invalid beyond that single ludicrous point, it’s offensive. Yes, I’m American, but I would feel exactly the same had you said that about, say, Britain’s Prime Minister Brown.

              Now, had you compared Hitler to Stalin or Mao, to use two of his contemporaries, that would have been valid, since they, like Hitler, were murderous and genocidal megalomaniacs. Or you could have used contemporary examples, such as Irananian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad or North Korean “Dear Leader” Kim Jong-il, though they both far “short” of achieving the great “glories” Hitler achieved of murdering millions, as far as I know anyway.

              Your comparison is akin to noting the fact that Hitler breathed air, you breathe air, I breathe air, everybody breathes air — se we’re ALL Hitlers, or wannabes.

              Yes, the comparison is deeply offensive, not just to every American, including those who loathe President Obama — after all, you essentially said Americans are Hitlers — but to virtually every single human being on the planet, including, presumably, yourself.

            • http://twitter.com/NisansaDdS Nisansa de Silva

              Please read Mein Kampf before answering brother. Or atleast the wiki page on Hitler’s religious affiliation. Whatever he was, he wasn’t an atheist. He believed in an all powerful god.

            • Anonymous

              Hitler and many of the third Reich were occultists. Hitler was a member of the Thule Society. Do not pawn your lies off on Christianity.

          • Anon

            Up yours christard.

            • Anonymous

              You are one intolerant individual who probably thinks he is ‘open minded’ when you are doing nothing but using this forum to pawn off your hate.

          • Anon

            Up yours christard.

        • Gmail

          why do you even have a say in abortion? Oh you don’t.. you have a penis

          until you can give birth shut your face you ugly fuck.

          • Blacksista

            straight up my black sista…i so agree with that completely

            • Anonymous

              Leave race out of this. Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood was an ardent eugenicist who wanted to limit the populations of ‘colored people’ (her term). You are endorsing a person who wants less people if you support the abortionist business.

          • Anonymous

            You are one ignorant person. Half of all those abortions are female babies. If you really cared about ‘women’s rights’ you would care about the future women as well. You are nothing but a lover of self and death.

        • http://www.cheapshirtsoutletonline.com lacoste polo

          The Church tortured yes but if you had a choice back during the inquistion you would much rather be in the hands of the Church than with secular authorities. History is literally a matter of perspective. I suppose people believe that millions were tortured by the Church during the Inquistion. Again, false.

        • Anon

          Ram a bible up your ass.

        • Nico

          Wow. That was a lot of confused gibberish. I don’t have the time to dissect the entire thing, but I’ll point a couple of things out, as they seem glaringly obvious to me but clearly not to you.

           ’Extreme secularists’ did not ‘invent’ abortion. Abortion (also known as miscarriage) occurs naturally in a high proportion of human pregnancies and in all other placental mammals. If you are a religious individual, this would make god (or gods) the ‘inventor’ of the process.

           Similarly, in the broadest sense, ‘extreme secularists’ did not invent communism. When looking at non-literate hunter-horticulturalist or hunter-gatherer societies (similar to those we suspect were ubiquitous beyond 10,0000 years ago) anthropologists have often noted that while gender roles are often highly defined, such societies are often largely non-hierarchical in terms of organisation, and goods are broadly communally owned, if ownership exists as a real concept. Such societies are also deeply spiritual and religion and ritual play a huge role, although not necessarily in the intrusive, repressive, resrtictive and directive way that organised religion plays in hierarchical societies. In other words, viewing economics as the acquisition and distribution of resources, it is perfectly easy to argue that a form of communism is the natural economic system, and that it developed along side religion rather than in spite of it.

      • Kyle Reese

        You all need to learn history and stop watching the world according to Richard Dawkins. Wars in history have occurred for things like land, gold, race, territory boundaries, national heritage, weaponry disputes, natural resources, secularist ideas, and even damn WOMEN! It’s just the self righteous and hypocritical militant atheist douchebags who like to blame everything on religion religion religion all the time.

        While at the same time the same extreme secularists forgets that it was them who invented things like Communism, Abortion, and the damned Atomic Bomb! All of those things killed well over 120 million people of all faiths. And if you want to include all the aborted children across the globe, then that number would be around 1 Billion! Not the mention that for the past 50 years the world has been held hostage because of the atomic weapons atheists have invented. Way to go you so called “enlightened” and “intelligent” freaks, you have surpassed the kill statistics of all the mean and evil religions you hate so much!

        When religion had it his way, we were fighting with swords against a Saracen soldier. When militant atheism had it their way, we were on the verge of nuclear winter. You know what? Tell Dawkins that I prefer the landscape populated with a bunch of bearded Amish people rather than the fundamentalist Atheist alternative of a bunch of Emo kids who shoot up their school in Colorado with Tech 9 submachine guns.

      • Elcirculodelamor-sexoseguro2

        Usa el cerebro antes de poner a funcionar la lengua, hijo de quien corresponda, y no es ofensa. ¿El cristianismo, creado por el imperio romano? ¿En el viaje de qué alucinógeno tuvistes semejante ocurrencia? Repito que no me gusta decir cosas que puedan sonar ofensivas, pero lamentablemente a veces pareciera que no se puede hacer otra cosa. ¿Tú crees que descendiste de los monos? Pos está bien, a tu parecer al menos, si preferís creer eso. Pero ¿qué tal de respetar a los que vinimos de Dios? Yo sí creo que hay un ser Supremo que me creó. ¿Nunca se te ha dado por pensar, que habiendo un Dios perfecto, éste tiene, dentro de la existencia de lo temporal, un enemigo también espiritual, que pueda imitar, o tratar de imitar, cosas celestiales, señor?
        Pos para qué hablar de aquello en lo que tal vez no sea el caso de que estés. Pero si no te va ¿te afecta? Andá en tu camino, pero no echés paja en el de los demás, solo porque no concuerda con el tuyo.

        • Oldspiccy22

          freakn beaner

          • Bigtikdoworkonthemhoes

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      • Tommytlove

        Jesus spoke Aremaic and invoking the saints is not magic,if someone looks skyward and says,”I miss you Dad” after their father had passed away does that make them a witch? All you religion haters are so ignorant when it comes to beliefs,tradition and tenents.You don’t have to believe if you don’t want to (unless you’re in a muslim country) and the greatest atrocities have been commited by Godless leaders- Hitler(he killed many Catholics) Stalin, Pol Pot, the Japanese Imperial Military….religious institutes are imperfect because they are run by people just as governments are imperfect for the same reason.Religion hating has become very chic after our president’s rude,insulting and him just being himself said fear is what keeps people clinging to guns and religion.I’m not afraid of anything and I embrace my religion so once again the president is wrong and so are all you religion haters.

      • Anonymous

        Look at you first sentence. People CLAIM to act in God’s name. They do not, however, have any connections to true faith. They use religion as a cloak for evil. Real religion has fed the poor, cared for the sick and educated millions long before your god of government social services was invented.

        • http://www.facebook.com/jason.fischer.5496 Jason Fischer

          Real religion has done a great deal of both good and evil.

          To suggest otherwise is to commit a logical fallacy – look up “No True Scotsman.”

          • Anonymous

            I would like to know how you define ‘real religion’ and then please provide some specifics. Do not even get into the ‘logical fallacy’ issue until you can present some specific evidence. Just so you know, I will freely acknowledge there have been crimes committed both by people claiming to be religious as well as those who actually are religious. Those two are not the same thing either. So, we can discuss what you like, but I will not play a game of generalities.

    • Loves You Crazy Fools!

      Religious types can think of lovely things to do in God’s name, when, God is only a metaphor, and a disguise for a powerful man. Christianity was bred by the Roman Empire, and spread to every corner of it, as it’s impending doom, came to collapse, which, explains why the people that would have killed Jesus, and hated him so much, were the one’s to suddenly have an epiphany, after all of their guards took a conveniently timed lunch break, from his tomb, and, he “Rose from the dead.” I doubt that many of Jesus’ followers would’ve been able to read or write in Latin, seeing as, Jesus was meant to be Jewish, thus, would’ve probably spoke Hebrew, so, isn’t it convenient that that collapsing empire, decided to print a load of bibles in Latin, appoint a member of their public to be the voice of God, and, to rule from down the road from where the Roman emperor did?
      Also, Jesus, and the “Saints” magic, would be classed as witchcraft too, doesn’t anyone think?
      The short and simple fact of the matter is, there’s loads of crazy and deluded people in the world, and, there’s plenty of people ready to do whatever they can for power.
      Religious wars and persecution? Just ancient gang warfare:
      What are you doing wearing blue in Blood territory, Crip?
      What are you doing believing in Allah in Christian territory, Heretic?
      Switch some of the words around, and, you’ll see every generations had someting similar: Mods vs Rockers, Black vs White, England vs France, America vs Everyone in sight…
      Same shit, different decade.

    • 76million

      God, thank you for the 8th amendment and giving someone the foresight to add it. Amen.

    • Anonymous

      You are just another religion hater who deletes the crimes of the non-religious. You also fail to take into account that many so called ‘religious’ acts of violence cannot be supported by the tennants of the faith so the people who do such things deny their faith by the horrendous disobedience.

      • http://www.facebook.com/jason.fischer.5496 Jason Fischer

        You also conveniently ignore that many who commit violence in the name of their religion are closely following the commandments written in their holy books.

        • Anonymous

          Similar to your previous post, you offer no specifics. I challenge you to provide some examples from multiple faiths. Many of the people here simply are seeking a forum to bash the Judeo-Christian world but do not have either the knowledge or the courage to post exemplars from other faiths. I do not know if that is your goal but you speak so broadly that you offer nothing to really interact about.

  • Irony Maiden

    Not really. There _were_ secular authorities involved, indeed. Inquisitors have always refrained from bloodying their hands and left the henchman's work to the secular authorities by officially transferring the accused to them.

  • Insomniac

    Does anyone else notice that there are only six methods listed?

  • euphoriajoca

    You probably didn't see that there is page 2: http://www.weirdworm.com/10-bizarre-torture-met

  • McLady

    In the Bullshit Department, a businessman can't hold a candle to a clergyman. 'Cause I gotta tell you the truth, folks. When it comes to bullshit, big-time, major league bullshit, you have to stand in awe of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims: religion. No contest. No contest. Religion. Religion easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told.
    Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man — living in the sky — who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!
    But He loves you.
    He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bullshit story. Holy Shit!
    — George Carlin Politically Incorrect, May 29, 1997

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  • Kevin

    No mention of Vlad the Impaler? Come on, that guy impaled people all the way through from the rectum to their mouth and they didn't die for days.

  • John

    Salem Witch Trials: Puritan, (ie. Pilgrim fathers) not Catholics. If you're going to make a comment, get your facts straight.

  • Atheism

    Atheism is not a religion. Atheists have no representatives anywhere and they are not organized nor do they strive for benefits limited only to other atheists.

  • http://twitter.com/EvilTaco Sev

    This is almost word for word the cracked article of the same topic with the funny ripped out. Same items, same place on the list, less detail. Every list (and yeah, I'm going through the whole site) except this one has been really unique. Shame, really. Plagiarism is a terrible thing, and it's obvious that's the case, here.

  • euphoriajoca

    Maybe this list is. This one was written when we started and when we didn't have very unique writers…hope you get me. Go to web site front page and start reading from today's article going on past 4 months. Hope you will be surprised pleasantly. All articles are presentable and cracked worth.

  • Jeremy

    Well that's very stupid of you. Not only do we have art of victims being tortured in these contraptions but we have found parts of them as well. Besides, instruments of torture used during the holocaust were just as a bad if not worse, do you believe that those devices are fake as well?

  • Michael

    In the name of Christianity yes, but in the name of spirituality – no. Religion is the #1 killer.

    • Anonymous

      Wrong. Completely wrong. More people were killed by communists in the 20th century alone than all the crusades and medieval conflicts combined. Stalin 40 to 80 million. Mao about 60 million. Pol Pot about 5 million if you include the spill over into the neighbouring nations. Castro and the Kims of Korea who even knows.

  • Myvampireskeeper

    You are right. Well said.

  • pro choice

    People like you make me so angry, you think its all black and white when it comes to having an abortion or not having one. Yes people that have abortions just cuz they failed to use any form of birth control or people that have them just cuz they dont want to have kids or keep having abortions repeatedly should take responsability for there actions there are other options for them like adoption or having a tubal ligation(tubes tide). Others like women who are raped and have no choice about using birth control and become pregnant should not be hated because they have an abortion. Women who are raped can become so depressed they kill themselfs and are more likely to do so if they become pregnant be there rapest. Younge girls who are under the influance of drugs and become pregnant and know they could not have a healthy pregnancy should have the option of abortion. If they didnt and carryed the baby to full term and the baby was born with a drug addiction or brain damage or other organ problems would the baby really be better off? And the girls who did this would then be called bad mothers and hated for putting a baby through all that! Most women who have abortions dont see the fetus as a living being so as a baby could they really care for and love it like it should be? And what about girls who are forced by boyfriends or parents to have an abortion should they be hated? Dr's do not even know for sure if the fetus feels any pain because the brain is just starting to develop.

    • Jesuslovesme

      Regardless, the one who pays the ultimate price for someone else’s screw-up is the one who is absolutely innocent. And it takes a particularly callous person to live with a decision like terminating a human life and not lose sleep about it. There are some mistakes that are an awful lot harder to live with than others.

  • Devil's Advocate

    Can't we all just enjoy some good old fashioned torture without having to make a religious debate of it. You're missing a beautiful opportunity to learn how much the human body can/can't take. -grin-

  • Ohmy..

    What the…… I read most of the responces to this and riddle me this. Why does it always come down to religion and politics? I don't really think any of this is about who done it but that it was done and the curiosity of it all. Ever watch a horror movie just to see someone get slowly and gruesomely tortured and chopped up? Need I say more..
    P.S. Let me know when you find Hell cause it's not on any map I've ever seen.

    • Iamfwomwome

      paraphrased from Osho’s Zen Tarot

      A mighty Samurai called upon a famously wise learned man to learn where the Hell is and how to avoid it.
      The sage immediately knew that the samurai was a practical man uninterested in philosophy. He desired to know the location of the gates to Hell so he could steer clear for all his days. The sage thought a bit about how best to proceed. He spoke to the samurai, ” Are you really a samurai warrior in charge of men of battle? You dress kind of like a joker.”
      This enraged the warrior who swiftly and silently narrowed his eyes while drawing his sword. The sage then said, “There you have found the gates to Hell.” The warrior’s eyes widened in a brilliant flash of understanding and he returned his sword to the scabbard. The sage then said, “And here you have found the gates of Heaven.”

      Thank you Osho.
      HARE KRISHNA

  • Ohmy…

    Finally some one who stayed with the suject.

  • Nathan

    Religion = food for imbeciles

  • Absoluteskittle

    I'm sorry to tell you this, considering you've “studied theology” and all, but God gave man free will. He has no bearence on man's decisions. It is man who rapes and kills, it is not God telling man to do so.

    In reference to Jesus' crucifixtion; God is the narrator, he knows everything. Man's free will caused Jesus to be sacrificed, and God knew this would happen. He granted Jesus eternal life in order to build the basis of Christianity; this 'new religion' would be the tool to save mankind from their inherent evil.

  • http://www.pakistannewsarticles.co.cc/covert-weapons-pain-causing-beam-devices-openly-used-in-pakistan-for-torture.html Tahir Jamil

    Your work against torture is praiseworthy. Being a victim of hidden devices torture, I have written tens of articles describing torture.

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    i hate this page. -_-

  • Maryni

    Bardzo dziwne metody karania , jak tu widzę, są stosowane w kraju rzekomo cywilizowanym w USA !?

  • Mary

    The majority of these devices were invented by old-time museums to increase ticket sales, and were actually never used historically. Just sayin’.

  • J-lambert

    you just shot yourself in the foot posting that, heres a quote from the wiki page. “The TEC-9 is an offshoot of a design from a Swedish company, Interdynamic AB of Stockholm. Intended as a cheap submachine gun based on the Carl Gustav M/45 for military applications”

    • bosco

      Thats in reference to the Interdynamic ABs gun based on the Carl Gustav M/45. The first sentence reads:
      The Intratec TEC-DC9 (TEC-9) is a blowback-operated, semi-automatic firearm, chambered in 9x19mm Parabellum, and classified by the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms as a handgun.

    • bosco

      Thats in reference to the Interdynamic ABs gun based on the Carl Gustav M/45. The first sentence reads:
      The Intratec TEC-DC9 (TEC-9) is a blowback-operated, semi-automatic firearm, chambered in 9x19mm Parabellum, and classified by the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms as a handgun.

    • bosco

      Thats in reference to the Interdynamic ABs gun based on the Carl Gustav M/45. The first sentence reads:
      The Intratec TEC-DC9 (TEC-9) is a blowback-operated, semi-automatic firearm, chambered in 9x19mm Parabellum, and classified by the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms as a handgun.

  • David

    well, the iron maiden was totally inaccurately described. Also, the ‘metal coffin’ was actually called a gibbet. These descriptions are woefully inaccurate.

  • Beh

    How come humans can be so disguting…. This is …. the worst.

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    i ts ok.

  • Nya-chan

    I am one to torture/ torqueo people and torqueo is latin for torture

  • Cracker Smacker

    Iron Maidens were actually not as commonly used as you’d think. They were more a symbolic and decorative display of power. They were very seldom enforced.

  • Cracker Smacker

    Iron Maidens were actually not as commonly used as you’d think. They were more a symbolic and decorative display of power. They were very seldom enforced.

  • Yournotagangster

    wow. i do hope you realize that you probobly only know what tec-9 is because of watching some rap biography on the history chanell so stop bein a know it alll wanabee gangbanger cause this is a “different methods of torture” website. not a 2 pac shacure fan club page…

  • Firesong

    I blame humans. Stupid, smelly humans, always killing their own kind for stupid, smelly reasons…

  • Sara

    im so glad i was born in 1997

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  • Gobi-Aoi

    the judas cradle one is wrong, it’s not the orifice that is penetrated, but the nerve between the anus and the genitals

  • stfu

    llol i love how a simple fucking picture gallery turns into a pissing contest between you losers. look at the pics and get off eachothers nuts.

  • Mort Yuary

    You guys feel ree to write about political views and other misconceptions you find amongst one another, I’m going to concentrate on what I know: implements of torture.None of these were used during the Spanish Inuisition, at least not if they drew blood, as it was illegal, by divine edict from the Vatican that devices of the inuisition and interrogation to cause blood to spill. In their place, great new devices were developed, such as the pear. furthermore, most of the most recognisable forms were implemented by the English after the establishment of the Anglican Church. Also, it was common to torture the poor, as it was believed that they were incapable of telling the trut without it.

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  • Anon

    Dark age christards were fucked up in the head. Then again they’re still are.

  • Nobody

    Iron Maidens did not exist in the medieval period, but were fabricated as collectibles in the 18th and 19th centuries. There is absolutely no evidence, nor any references or records, to suggest that any Iron Maiden was ever used on a real person for any reason. Ergo, they are not, and have never been, torture devices or methods.

    • Anon

      Ram a bible up your ass you christard apologist scum!

  • http://www.videoconverterfactory.com/tips/ NeoDra

    i feel sick about such methods…
    too cruel

  • Ricybegg

    faggots

  • What is this I don’t even

    Lol it’s like this guy wrote out all of the torture rooms after playing Amnesia: The Dark Descent.

  • bobby the train

    cool

  • Todusa

    omg! i cant believe how evil ppl could be! i know that sounds ignorant rly, but i just cant!

  • Kyle, atheists dont necessarily support or even cause abortion, individual people of all faiths do, I’m an atheist and I have had absolutely nothing to do with abortion. at all. so take that 1 billion+ “deaths” caused by atheists comment and go to college so you can be educated on everything about that statement thats incorrect. Also, religion/money/power is the root of all evil. The Catholic church has more power and money than almost anyone else in the world, (they do need the money, paying off parents and such). Religion is used for personal gain across the world, Western World: PROFIT, Middle East: Complacency and as a recruitment tool for extremists, Africa: Justification for genocide and human rights violations, Asia: Obedience to those in power. What happened to all those who lived before Christianity? Where did they go when they died? The idea of “god” is a self defeating argument philosophically.

  • Aorta

    Religion is irrelevant. These devices are so depraved that they bring a tear to my eye at the thought of their use. The author skims far too lightly over their impact on their victims. No-one deserves torture, anyone to the contrary ought to tender their raging inner masochist.

  • May

    Augh, it’s hard to think humans did this to each other..

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